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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 10:30 PM
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this should not happen
sue the **** out of exhaust manufacturer
Yeah....It's the American way!
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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you REALLY think its the because of the aftermartket exhaust. there are a lot of people running the exact same exhaust with no problems. it is either A) an error within the install or B) a defect in the car itself. if it were somehow a defect in the exhaust causing this, what is he gonna sue for? because the bottom of his seat cushion got slightly burned? so he's going to sue over what "might have" happened? to many people sue happy these days...
Don't worry MICLOIV
I don't want to sue nobody.
I love what AMS do for our community and the damage was nothing, i took care of it already.

my only intention is to be completely sure that the problem is because the exhaust overheating that area first,
if I don't see any fire marks, i will wrap that Area, which is kind of expensive.


then I would recommend to all the owners with that particular exhaust to check the same area, and finally if we find out that a few owners have the same problem , I would recommend to the designers to include some kind of shield for that area as mitsu brings from factory

also the fact that many people is running the same exhaust doesn't say that they don't have or will have that burn in the future, maybe they have it right now and nobody have taken the seats out, I’m sure than 90% of the people haven't take the seats out because an weird smell
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Old Aug 14, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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hmmm, pretty weird that this would happen. You sure the exhaust is not touching any part of the heathshield down below? Are all the heatshield's in the underbelly intact?
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld
the exhaust has a perfect fit on the same OEM rubber hangers, you don't have to cut or improvise anything, remove the stock exhaust and hang the new one.
i was in person all the time in the body shop behind the guy doing the job. every gasket and bolt was well installed. Power tools, no rush, no leaking, nothing.

How a cigarette bug is going to finish there, it is impossible. in the pictures I’m showing the bottom of the seats. you need to remove them first in order to see the burned area. in any case a cigarette will make a hole in the foam, not that flat toasted area.

I noticed that the OEM exhaust is almost completely shield, they put a lot of metal sheets all around the pipes, also below the car there is several shields insulating the floor metal panels from the exterior. I think they know how hot it would be. of course I didn't remove any under floor shield, just the OEM exhaust.

I’m sure it happens days before when I give a ride to a friend of mine , a really heavy friend of mine. with all that weight provably toasted my seat against the hot floor.
I’m going to take a deeper look tomorrow under the car, check the bolts, any evidence of fire, etc. if I don’t see any weird accident, I need to talk with AMS, it could be dangerous to transport big guys in the rear seats with the exhaust.
tell him he's gonna have to get on the south beach diet before he rides with you again.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld
Don't worry MICLOIV
I don't want to sue nobody.
I love what AMS do for our community and the damage was nothing, i took care of it already.

my only intention is to be completely sure that the problem is because the exhaust overheating that area first,
if I don't see any fire marks, i will wrap that Area, which is kind of expensive.


then I would recommend to all the owners with that particular exhaust to check the same area, and finally if we find out that a few owners have the same problem , I would recommend to the designers to include some kind of shield for that area as mitsu brings from factory

also the fact that many people is running the same exhaust doesn't say that they don't have or will have that burn in the future, maybe they have it right now and nobody have taken the seats out, I’m sure than 90% of the people haven't take the seats out because an weird smell
AMS is an extremely reputable company.

Although I highly doubt the exhaust caused the burning, if it did, you will find that it is installation problem.

Check that there is not a pipe you installed upside down, wrong, etc. Other than the hangers, NO part of the hot cat-back exhaust should be coming into contact with the car itself, ever. If it is touching the body, you need to look at the installation and/or get it corrected ASAP. The fuel tank is under there! Be intelligent, be safe. Get this figured out immediately.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 10:34 AM
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WTF.....how is that even possible??? I didn't know the exhaust could get that hot so far back. Makes you think!!!
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Noize
Although I highly doubt the exhaust caused the burning, if it did, you will find that it is installation problem.
While it seems unlikely that it's AMS's fault, what else could have caused the burning besides the exhaust? There's not much directly under there. It seems pretty obvious this is damage due to heat from the exhaust.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 01:19 PM
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WTF.....how is that even possible??? I didn't know the exhaust could get that hot so far back. Makes you think!!!
The exhaust is very hot. It measured 230 degrees F at the exhaust tips of my Perrin CBE, using a digital laser thermometer. So the mid pipe is even hotter.

The stock exhaust does have a lot of heat shield on it, unlike aftermarket ones. This is an interesting thread and we should keep an eye on it.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Noize
AMS is an extremely reputable company.

Although I highly doubt the exhaust caused the burning, if it did, you will find that it is installation problem.

Check that there is not a pipe you installed upside down, wrong, etc. Other than the hangers, NO part of the hot cat-back exhaust should be coming into contact with the car itself, ever. If it is touching the body, you need to look at the installation and/or get it corrected ASAP. The fuel tank is under there! Be intelligent, be safe. Get this figured out immediately.
The only part that you can install upside-down on that exhaust is the test pipe, even though, there is nothing dangerous doing it, just the O2 sensor facing the other side and additional bung facing down, Which of course, it’s wrong. Mine is facing up.
The rest of the exhaust there is no way to install it wrong and reach the OEM hangers. In every joint a gasket was installed, I was in front af them all the time, they use an Air wrench to screw the bolts.
Actually if you look in the “How to forums” you will see my Post when I installed the test pipe with a lot of pictures. The rest of the exhaust was done a few days after, same conditions.
yes, I trust them, but we are humans, even Nasa has send people to the space and Bum!!!!!!!!!!!!
God have them in Heaven.
For how long does a company test a product before say it's safe? i Don’t know , but I’m sure nobody have time these days to test something under different weather conditions, from Florida to Canada for six months.
We are the one testing the products
Let's forget about the Heat, i'm going to mention another problem with the exhaust and I’m not the only person reporting it. Today i notice that the OEM Rear Shield, the one around the Stock Muffler start rattling. Windows down you can perfectly hear it and yes, it's kind of annoying.
There is a guy that started a post when he installed the same exhaust, he mention the rattling and he "remove the shield" so....he has even less protection for the gas tank. I told him to put it back in the post. He say no, it's ok.
So we are two now reporting the rattling.
I know, I need to take some videos before keep talking. I will tomorrow.

Today I check the Exhaust, there is no signs of Fires or anything weird. so i went to Murray's Speed Store and bought some copper exhaust wraps. tomorrow I’m going to install it.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoX95123
The exhaust is very hot. It measured 230 degrees F at the exhaust tips of my Perrin CBE, using a digital laser thermometer. So the mid pipe is even hotter.

The stock exhaust does have a lot of heat shield on it, unlike aftermarket ones. This is an interesting thread and we should keep an eye on it.
Thanks god somebody believe me
Thanks Buddy!!!!
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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I would encourage you to contact the manufacturer and keep us posted. A single-exit exhaust system may work well in the race track. But it could increase the temperature in stop-and-go traffic. The more metal-to-air surface you have, the faster it dissipates the heat. Also, metal is a good heat conductor. So I can see a large amount of heat is dissipated by the stock muffler in the design.

I think you have a legitimate concern. Good luck!
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 05:21 PM
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i was thinking about getting a single exhaust setup up now this makes me wonder.
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Old Aug 15, 2009 | 06:12 PM
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Somewhat related... if you get this exhaust and have it coated, wouldn't that mean that much more heat in the exhaust by the time it hits the muffler and tip? Would that extra heat be enough to cook the rear diffuser?

That being the case I know you can buy the heat shields (stainless or carbon fiber), but now do you run the risk of cooking the paint or melting part of the bumper just above said heat shield on the diffuser?
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blade80
wow...never knew exhaust can burn the seat. i think you might have exhaust leak.
No buddy, no leaks.
Well, I wrapped the rear part of the exhaust with a Thermo shield wrap. I used the Copper wraps.
Be sure to use a lot of protection against dust if you want to do it, I had all my arms full of copper dust and this sh... is itchy man. I had to take two showers to remove it.
it's a really nice product. it really works it keep the heat inside the exhaust.

I notice that the Oem Mid Pipe has a little shield right below the seats, facing up, protecting that specific area.
Take a look in the original exhaust, I think that Mitsu saw a possible damage in that area and installed the shield
Maybe I should put that little shield back of make one.
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Old Aug 17, 2009 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by alex3dworld

I notice that the Oem Mid Pipe has a little shield right below the seats, facing up, protecting that specific area.
Take a look in the original exhaust, I think that Mitsu saw a possible damage in that area and installed the shield
Maybe I should put that little shield back of make one.
Good catch... I would like to go to a single exhaust in the future. Thanks
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