Current Sti owner might be purchasing an Evo X
It suits my use & purpose better. And it feels like a $30k car.
I don't think you can have a blanket statement Evo > STI. It really depends on how you intend to use it.
Having said that, I can't believe the performance difference between the two. Wow!!
I don't think you can have a blanket statement Evo > STI. It really depends on how you intend to use it.
Having said that, I can't believe the performance difference between the two. Wow!!
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Even with the amazing performance with the Evo, the STI feels like the more substantial car (for my usage). It's a shame about the engine.
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I didn't have ringland failure, but didn't want to wait around to find out. The ringland failure happens to stock & modded '07+ STIs.
Even with the amazing performance with the Evo, the STI feels like the more substantial car (for my usage). It's a shame about the engine.
Even with the amazing performance with the Evo, the STI feels like the more substantial car (for my usage). It's a shame about the engine.
. I had an 07 STI too. both don't come close to an Evo, IMO. The thing about Evos, more you learn about it more you like it.(technology, performance, reliability etc) It was complete opposite when I had my STI. Although I like Subarus there's something wrong with their turbo engine cars forsure. Have fun with the GSR.
I had a 2010 STI with a very conservative custom stage 2 tune by Cobb in Plano. Subaru is def. not owning up to how large the issue is with the ringland failures. My car simply stopped boosting at 25,000 miles. They replaced the turbo, intercooler, ran 5 months worth of tests could not find the problem. Subaru decided the car was fine and I should just be happy with 10PSI as they were not fixing anything!
The dealer took the STI back and sold me a 2011 EVO X (they sell both Subie and Mitsu), so I have some experience with both cars. Here is my take on them:
STI - Killer space and handled well while still being comfortable for daily driving. You got use to the slight understeer. I had 335 ft-lbs of torque at 3,000rpm with only a downpipe and conservative tune. That combined with flat foot shifting through the accessport mean the straight line acceleration is not the same without much higher modification levels in the EVO. The six speed was a great transmission. All that said, as much as I loved the car, I would not get another for good reasons.
EVO - Much more a race car. Less space, more rattles, makes my kidneys scream on PA roads. The GSR transmission needs a short throw shifter to be acceptable. Yet, if you want a fast, fun, precise car, the EVO X is insane. The handling, steering, overall driving experience is much more engaging. Plus the reliability of the drive drain overall seems much better.
Stock to stock or Stage 1 STI to Stage 1 EVO X you will not miss your STI unless you daily used the hatch space daily. Stage 2 STI to Stage 2 EVO X depends on your driving style. The STI gets the nod if you like light to light pulls or highway racing, the EVO kills on twisty roads. I do not have personal experience beyond stage 2 in either car, but reliability seems better on the EVO X.
Conclusion - After owning two Subaru's I now have a 2011 EVO X and I do not miss the Subies.
The dealer took the STI back and sold me a 2011 EVO X (they sell both Subie and Mitsu), so I have some experience with both cars. Here is my take on them:
STI - Killer space and handled well while still being comfortable for daily driving. You got use to the slight understeer. I had 335 ft-lbs of torque at 3,000rpm with only a downpipe and conservative tune. That combined with flat foot shifting through the accessport mean the straight line acceleration is not the same without much higher modification levels in the EVO. The six speed was a great transmission. All that said, as much as I loved the car, I would not get another for good reasons.
EVO - Much more a race car. Less space, more rattles, makes my kidneys scream on PA roads. The GSR transmission needs a short throw shifter to be acceptable. Yet, if you want a fast, fun, precise car, the EVO X is insane. The handling, steering, overall driving experience is much more engaging. Plus the reliability of the drive drain overall seems much better.
Stock to stock or Stage 1 STI to Stage 1 EVO X you will not miss your STI unless you daily used the hatch space daily. Stage 2 STI to Stage 2 EVO X depends on your driving style. The STI gets the nod if you like light to light pulls or highway racing, the EVO kills on twisty roads. I do not have personal experience beyond stage 2 in either car, but reliability seems better on the EVO X.
Conclusion - After owning two Subaru's I now have a 2011 EVO X and I do not miss the Subies.
go for evo mate, at least you will not have a broken engine and gearbox in every 3K miles, you will forget about 4th piston knocking in engine and many other things in evo.
just to compare, my friend has rebuilt sti engine 5 times in 8-9 months, engines were dieing like a flies
just to compare, my friend has rebuilt sti engine 5 times in 8-9 months, engines were dieing like a flies
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Go for the evo bro,it has the looks and handling
A bit off topic,earlier today,met a friend who drives a evo x mr and i was suprised to see him in a white subaru wrx sti..version 8,i asked him wheres the evo,he told me he made a swap with this subaru sti,gosh,haha wat was he thinking,he told me his evo x mr has alot of problems,abs sensor spoiled alot of times now and etc.
A bit off topic,earlier today,met a friend who drives a evo x mr and i was suprised to see him in a white subaru wrx sti..version 8,i asked him wheres the evo,he told me he made a swap with this subaru sti,gosh,haha wat was he thinking,he told me his evo x mr has alot of problems,abs sensor spoiled alot of times now and etc.
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As the title states, I currently drive an 08 Sti. I love the car. I like the hatchback, the boxer rumble, the power, the handling, pretty much everything EXCEPT for 1 thing...Subaru's total engineering fail of the piston ringlands. Every so often I keep hearing another motor going up the chopping blocks due to these failures. Either its the stock tune, or how much its abused, etc...one can only speculate that its bound to happen to any Sti owner.
I'm at the point where my factory warranty is about to expire and I want to start increasing my hp/tq. I'm currently on Cobb's OTS stage 1 tune and have some suspension mods such as sways, springs, ALK, bushings etc..
I'm fairly hesitant now to even do anything more knowing I'm driving a ticking time bomb. So I'm looking to possibly selling my STI or trading her in for a X.
How is the tune on these cars? Are ringland failures common as their counterpart? The most I would want to do is roughly 350hp @ the wheels. Would this be reliable and safe? How much power can the motor/tranny take? What do I have to look for in terms of modifications that could spell a disaster? Haven't made up my mind which version but mostly a GSR. Although I wouldn't count out the MR without test driving both. Please help as I am 90% sure I will be switching to an Evo X by the end of the year so I can get the best deal.
Cheers.
I'm at the point where my factory warranty is about to expire and I want to start increasing my hp/tq. I'm currently on Cobb's OTS stage 1 tune and have some suspension mods such as sways, springs, ALK, bushings etc..
I'm fairly hesitant now to even do anything more knowing I'm driving a ticking time bomb. So I'm looking to possibly selling my STI or trading her in for a X.
How is the tune on these cars? Are ringland failures common as their counterpart? The most I would want to do is roughly 350hp @ the wheels. Would this be reliable and safe? How much power can the motor/tranny take? What do I have to look for in terms of modifications that could spell a disaster? Haven't made up my mind which version but mostly a GSR. Although I wouldn't count out the MR without test driving both. Please help as I am 90% sure I will be switching to an Evo X by the end of the year so I can get the best deal.
Cheers.
**** Id rather have a bigger trunk and space then the hassle of one of thses POS cars.
The daily driver argument drives me nuts, too. It's as if the assumption is, who'd want a truly sporting car to drive every day? Err...me, that's who. Why wouldn't one want to experience the thrills of an extended performance envelope and the feel of greater control every minute behind the wheel? Sure, lots of folks prefer a less involving car to drive. Fair enough. The question then becomes, are they the people who should be buying and commenting on cars like ours?
Anyone who buy these cars and think any of these type of cars even slighlty good being a DD, living in a fantasy world. Neither of these cars qualify's as a daily driver.
Just because you can drive them daily because you don't have another car to do a commute, that is actually does not makes the car type to qualify to be a good dd.
Its like having sex with your right hand, it will take you there, but with a beautiful blond the whole experince gets a different meaning... Doesn't it ?
LOL
Change the pistons and the rods in the 4B11T , for much cheaper, then what STI ???
Sorry, but this is just lame comment.
STI's became a very good cars after some expensive mods. But after that who care's the trunk space ... I bet I have bigger trunk space today as most dd STI.
You see I can write lame things too. LOL
Press on
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I love my Evo but my Subby was my first love. Not all engines fail with Subbys, it's all how you go about modding. Just like any car you have to pay attention to the entire package and not just one area.
With most Subbys if you want higher hp/tq your going to have to build the motor. Just like with the Evo if you want to go above 450-500hp. Not building the motor and trying to get big numbers will always result in failure.
With most Subbys if you want higher hp/tq your going to have to build the motor. Just like with the Evo if you want to go above 450-500hp. Not building the motor and trying to get big numbers will always result in failure.
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I love my Evo but my Subby was my first love. Not all engines fail with Subbys, it's all how you go about modding. Just like any car you have to pay attention to the entire package and not just one area.
With most Subbys if you want higher hp/tq your going to have to build the motor. Just like with the Evo if you want to go above 450-500hp. Not building the motor and trying to get big numbers will always result in failure.
With most Subbys if you want higher hp/tq your going to have to build the motor. Just like with the Evo if you want to go above 450-500hp. Not building the motor and trying to get big numbers will always result in failure.
As the title states, I currently drive an 08 Sti. I love the car. I like the hatchback, the boxer rumble, the power, the handling, pretty much everything EXCEPT for 1 thing...Subaru's total engineering fail of the piston ringlands. Every so often I keep hearing another motor going up the chopping blocks due to these failures. Either its the stock tune, or how much its abused, etc...one can only speculate that its bound to happen to any Sti owner.
I'm at the point where my factory warranty is about to expire and I want to start increasing my hp/tq. I'm currently on Cobb's OTS stage 1 tune and have some suspension mods such as sways, springs, ALK, bushings etc..
I'm fairly hesitant now to even do anything more knowing I'm driving a ticking time bomb. So I'm looking to possibly selling my STI or trading her in for a X.
How is the tune on these cars? Are ringland failures common as their counterpart? The most I would want to do is roughly 350hp @ the wheels. Would this be reliable and safe? How much power can the motor/tranny take? What do I have to look for in terms of modifications that could spell a disaster? Haven't made up my mind which version but mostly a GSR. Although I wouldn't count out the MR without test driving both. Please help as I am 90% sure I will be switching to an Evo X by the end of the year so I can get the best deal.
Cheers.
I'm at the point where my factory warranty is about to expire and I want to start increasing my hp/tq. I'm currently on Cobb's OTS stage 1 tune and have some suspension mods such as sways, springs, ALK, bushings etc..
I'm fairly hesitant now to even do anything more knowing I'm driving a ticking time bomb. So I'm looking to possibly selling my STI or trading her in for a X.
How is the tune on these cars? Are ringland failures common as their counterpart? The most I would want to do is roughly 350hp @ the wheels. Would this be reliable and safe? How much power can the motor/tranny take? What do I have to look for in terms of modifications that could spell a disaster? Haven't made up my mind which version but mostly a GSR. Although I wouldn't count out the MR without test driving both. Please help as I am 90% sure I will be switching to an Evo X by the end of the year so I can get the best deal.
Cheers.
) to the evo and build the engine.on the other hand, my sister has an 08 sti, its putting down about 310-320 whp dynojet (263 on Kito's mustang, since you're from seattle you might know him) it has over 60k on it, its been to countless autox's and ~20 track days. never had so much as a hiccup from the engine... from the research i did, the ringland thing is kinda hit and miss. the engines that have problems usually show them by 20k. so either my sister is just lucky with her sti or her experience proves it
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so I didn't read the whole thread so maybe someone already said this, but here's my take on it. if you're gonna trade for an evo, unless you find an evo owner to do a straight trade, you're gonna have to add money, prolly around 5k. for 5k you can get a built engine for the sti and the ringland thing is no longer an issue... so if the only thing you don't like about the sti is the fear of blowing the motor then just take the money you'd spend upgrading (yes, i said upgrading ) to the evo and build the engine.
on the other hand, my sister has an 08 sti, its putting down about 310-320 whp dynojet (263 on Kito's mustang, since you're from seattle you might know him) it has over 60k on it, its been to countless autox's and ~20 track days. never had so much as a hiccup from the engine... from the research i did, the ringland thing is kinda hit and miss. the engines that have problems usually show them by 20k. so either my sister is just lucky with her sti or her experience proves it
) to the evo and build the engine.on the other hand, my sister has an 08 sti, its putting down about 310-320 whp dynojet (263 on Kito's mustang, since you're from seattle you might know him) it has over 60k on it, its been to countless autox's and ~20 track days. never had so much as a hiccup from the engine... from the research i did, the ringland thing is kinda hit and miss. the engines that have problems usually show them by 20k. so either my sister is just lucky with her sti or her experience proves it
Good point, the only track or autox I do is purely for fun, so I dont care what class they put me in... So that's why I didnt consider that...
OP, do you do anything that requires you to keep stock block?
OP, do you do anything that requires you to keep stock block?
I've had both. The STi was nice, loved the exhaust note. The Evo handles much sharper and has a nicer interior IMO (2011 MR with all options). I'd say in stock form the Evo is definitely more fun to drive.