Best Coilover for DD X?
I have ridden and driven and EVO x with Ohlins, Robis KWs (the ohlins and robis were back to back) and a couple of others. Driven an STI on stance, a DSM on megans and other chinese crap coilovers and on adjustable KYBs with replacement springs. Also have stock KWs on another car.
Additionally, drove a couple of evo xs with swift and eibach springs with OEM KYBs.
Not exactly back to back on the SAME car but close enough to get an idea. Also have driven (raced actually) single seaters and a oval race prepared stock car with real race shocks. So, while I don't claim to have the technical knowledge that Iowa has, I have some practical experience to draw on.
Additionally, drove a couple of evo xs with swift and eibach springs with OEM KYBs.
Not exactly back to back on the SAME car but close enough to get an idea. Also have driven (raced actually) single seaters and a oval race prepared stock car with real race shocks. So, while I don't claim to have the technical knowledge that Iowa has, I have some practical experience to draw on.

in this case doesnt mattre how many cars you drove on how many coilovers .

Only evo X with different ones with different set up , but a car on the same set up.
You have a good resume though.
so so far two guys qualify to have a good point of view in comparision , so guys focus on they opinion.
This reminds me of something that happened about 10 years ago over on DSMTuners. A guy with experience on Ohlins, Penskes, Konis, and a bunch of other stuff was setting up a 2G with sleeves on Koni Sports with RRE hats. He was also a decent driver, trophying a few times at Nationals in autocrossing. He was convinced that there was some cross-talk in the Konis because it skittered when the rebound (which is the only adjuster on a Koni Sport) was cranked up. He was planning to send the shocks to True Choice to get the compression backed off so it wouldn't skitter when near full stiff.
At some point during the discussion, a relative unknown with no serious seat-time said that the plots for Koni Sports not only showed no cross-talk at all, but also suggested that what was really happening was that the rears, at least, were packing down at full stiff. But because this "troll" didn't drive national events, he or she was ignored (for exactly that reason).
The driver with lots of experience sent his shocks off to True Choice who told him that backing off the high-speed compression was impossible without reducing low-speed, because the shocks are almost completely digressive. So the driver had the low-speed compression reduced. When he got the shocks back, his turn-in was gone and the shocks were useless.
He complained to True Choice and his complaining slowly turned into an actual conversation about the shocks, the springs, and how the car was being driven. It slowly emerged that the problem with the original set-up was quite simple: rather than there being any cross-talk or any issue with the compression damping, the real problem was that, when cranked up, the Konis had too much rebound damping for the springs being run.
ps. in case you haven't heard all the slang terms used by suspension people, the short-hand label for having too much rebound for the springs, which can cause skittering that a driver often misinterprets as too much compression damping, is "packing down"
At some point during the discussion, a relative unknown with no serious seat-time said that the plots for Koni Sports not only showed no cross-talk at all, but also suggested that what was really happening was that the rears, at least, were packing down at full stiff. But because this "troll" didn't drive national events, he or she was ignored (for exactly that reason).
The driver with lots of experience sent his shocks off to True Choice who told him that backing off the high-speed compression was impossible without reducing low-speed, because the shocks are almost completely digressive. So the driver had the low-speed compression reduced. When he got the shocks back, his turn-in was gone and the shocks were useless.
He complained to True Choice and his complaining slowly turned into an actual conversation about the shocks, the springs, and how the car was being driven. It slowly emerged that the problem with the original set-up was quite simple: rather than there being any cross-talk or any issue with the compression damping, the real problem was that, when cranked up, the Konis had too much rebound damping for the springs being run.
ps. in case you haven't heard all the slang terms used by suspension people, the short-hand label for having too much rebound for the springs, which can cause skittering that a driver often misinterprets as too much compression damping, is "packing down"
Ive been through tein, buddy club and BC racing coils. i know they arent the most expensive and for that said i dont track my car so i feel no need to buy coils that cost over 2k i currently have a set of stance pro's and i love them.
a buddy of mine has this set up and says the same thing. coils can be a hit or miss it all depends what you are looking for
I can't compare coils to coils but I can tell you my experience from springs to coils and how they differed.
After purchase of my 08 GSR, i swapped springs for Eibach Pros. Right after the switch from stock to Eibachs I noticed the ride was a lot more bumpy and even felt less controlled. This only got worse as the front struts became blown and I had to replace them.
I did the same as you, asked around, read whatever I could, looking for alternatives to replacing my suspension. And, like you, had the same criteria. Daily driver, minimal track use, and needed to be comfortable.
I eventually settled on a set of HSD coil overs. Install was a breeze and the product looked like it was well made.
After putting these in, setting the desired height, and getting the alignment and camber done to spec, I noticed the ride was quite comfortable compared to my previous Eibachs. Less bouncy, and more controlled in the corners. They were able to handle the bumps in the road with ease and still felt very comfortable.
It has been 1 year now, and they have been seen a fair amount of use. No squeaks, and suspension still feels solid. These have also seen a harsh prairie winter and they still in good shape. I'd recommend the HSDs if you're looking for a comfortable ride.
After purchase of my 08 GSR, i swapped springs for Eibach Pros. Right after the switch from stock to Eibachs I noticed the ride was a lot more bumpy and even felt less controlled. This only got worse as the front struts became blown and I had to replace them.
I did the same as you, asked around, read whatever I could, looking for alternatives to replacing my suspension. And, like you, had the same criteria. Daily driver, minimal track use, and needed to be comfortable.
I eventually settled on a set of HSD coil overs. Install was a breeze and the product looked like it was well made.
After putting these in, setting the desired height, and getting the alignment and camber done to spec, I noticed the ride was quite comfortable compared to my previous Eibachs. Less bouncy, and more controlled in the corners. They were able to handle the bumps in the road with ease and still felt very comfortable.
It has been 1 year now, and they have been seen a fair amount of use. No squeaks, and suspension still feels solid. These have also seen a harsh prairie winter and they still in good shape. I'd recommend the HSDs if you're looking for a comfortable ride.
Also its not about argueing someone, it is more who you shoulld listen to...
I can't compare coils to coils but I can tell you my experience from springs to coils and how they differed.
After purchase of my 08 GSR, i swapped springs for Eibach Pros. Right after the switch from stock to Eibachs I noticed the ride was a lot more bumpy and even felt less controlled. This only got worse as the front struts became blown and I had to replace them.
I did the same as you, asked around, read whatever I could, looking for alternatives to replacing my suspension. And, like you, had the same criteria. Daily driver, minimal track use, and needed to be comfortable.
I eventually settled on a set of HSD coil overs. Install was a breeze and the product looked like it was well made.
After putting these in, setting the desired height, and getting the alignment and camber done to spec, I noticed the ride was quite comfortable compared to my previous Eibachs. Less bouncy, and more controlled in the corners. They were able to handle the bumps in the road with ease and still felt very comfortable.
It has been 1 year now, and they have been seen a fair amount of use. No squeaks, and suspension still feels solid. These have also seen a harsh prairie winter and they still in good shape. I'd recommend the HSDs if you're looking for a comfortable ride.
After purchase of my 08 GSR, i swapped springs for Eibach Pros. Right after the switch from stock to Eibachs I noticed the ride was a lot more bumpy and even felt less controlled. This only got worse as the front struts became blown and I had to replace them.
I did the same as you, asked around, read whatever I could, looking for alternatives to replacing my suspension. And, like you, had the same criteria. Daily driver, minimal track use, and needed to be comfortable.
I eventually settled on a set of HSD coil overs. Install was a breeze and the product looked like it was well made.
After putting these in, setting the desired height, and getting the alignment and camber done to spec, I noticed the ride was quite comfortable compared to my previous Eibachs. Less bouncy, and more controlled in the corners. They were able to handle the bumps in the road with ease and still felt very comfortable.
It has been 1 year now, and they have been seen a fair amount of use. No squeaks, and suspension still feels solid. These have also seen a harsh prairie winter and they still in good shape. I'd recommend the HSDs if you're looking for a comfortable ride.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jun 28, 2012 at 10:46 AM.
I still believe that p.phresh's observation is made better by adding that HSDs are much more digressive than the OE KYBs and that this is how they can both provide more control in corners (low-speed damping) and more comfort over bumps (high-speed bump), but I'm done with this argument which has been around since the beginning of car-related web-forums and will never be resolved.
I shared my experience, not my opinion. My experience is something I know everything about and something you know nothing about. Experience, not opinions, are what make this forum useful.
No offense, but your English isn't that good. Sometimes you don't comprehend the full meaning of what you post. And as noted here, you don't comprehend a simple and intelligent response to those posts.
With that in mind, don't be so critical of others. It's not working for you.
Well, you were taking a shot at people contributing to this thread by implying they didn't know what they were talking about. I was contributing to this thread, so you were being critical towards me.
I shared my experience, not my opinion. My experience is something I know everything about and something you know nothing about. Experience, not opinions, are what make this forum useful.
No offense, but your English isn't that good. Sometimes you don't comprehend the full meaning of what you post. And as noted here, you don't comprehend a simple and omintelligent response to those posts.
With that in mind, don't be so critical of others. It's not working for you.
I shared my experience, not my opinion. My experience is something I know everything about and something you know nothing about. Experience, not opinions, are what make this forum useful.
No offense, but your English isn't that good. Sometimes you don't comprehend the full meaning of what you post. And as noted here, you don't comprehend a simple and omintelligent response to those posts.
With that in mind, don't be so critical of others. It's not working for you.
Or if you have any experience with coils please let us know so i dont take you lightly.
So thanks for a lecture, and we can go on now with a better post like a guy we pointed out above.
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jun 29, 2012 at 07:46 AM.
At least i know what i am talking about, and even when it is really hard to undestand, still a better option then your brilliantly composed opinion based on a very shallow background.o
Or if you have any experience with coils please let us know so i dont take you lightly.
So thanks for a lecture, and we can go on now with a better post like a guy we pointed out above.
Rob
Or if you have any experience with coils please let us know so i dont take you lightly.
So thanks for a lecture, and we can go on now with a better post like a guy we pointed out above.
Rob
You've got a lot to offer to this forum. Its a shame that your attitude and ability to communicate are so poor.
I wasn't asking what the worlds best coilovers were, or who makes the best coilover. I just wanted to hear from people like me who want a soft ride while lowered without sacrificing too much.
Elitists need not reply. Your condescending remarks don't win you any points and none of us think you're cool.
Sorry. Then. 
I said the best for dd is the stock coils. Based on experience and testing, so as using them in many different enviroment so as circumctances.
But if that is "an elite aproach" which you dont like its fine. I didnt bash anyone untill this guys and you made personal approach.
Of course its a personal choice who you listen
Its not my gain or loss.
Rob

I said the best for dd is the stock coils. Based on experience and testing, so as using them in many different enviroment so as circumctances.
But if that is "an elite aproach" which you dont like its fine. I didnt bash anyone untill this guys and you made personal approach.
Of course its a personal choice who you listen

Its not my gain or loss.
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Jun 29, 2012 at 08:41 AM.
It is a shame some people makes comments like yours. I have never approached anyone with bad attitude first. I am just not that person. And many who who willing to understand my english and help with that. They stick around a long time now. Even in the states

But many who speak perfect english are really arrogant when they find wrong or opinion is not inline with they own opinion.
And i can say all the time they pull a languages card.... lol
So nothing new here.
Rob






