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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 02:51 PM
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I mean for the money spent on modding the car to 900HP I would rather buy an exotic car such as a Porsche. So basically the question that remains, is it worth to spend all that money in modifications to get 900HP which I suspect is not very reliable?
What it is "worth" to you, may not be to others. I guess the argument could be made is it worth it to mod any car, to any particular level. What you consider "too far" shouldn't be placed as a restriction on anyone else.

Subaru is doing this with Imprezas, they offer 2.0l and 2.5l.
No they don't. Not anymore. All of them are 2.5L now. And even if they did still do it, what makes that "right?" Why just because one manufacturer does something a certain way, should another copy them?
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 05:11 PM
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What it is "worth" to you, may not be to others. I guess the argument could be made is it worth it to mod any car, to any particular level. What you consider "too far" shouldn't be placed as a restriction on anyone else.


No they don't. Not anymore. All of them are 2.5L now. And even if they did still do it, what makes that "right?" Why just because one manufacturer does something a certain way, should another copy them?
Well, Lancer EVO for most part has been a modders dream. If they introduce the all-new engine, the mod part will be kind of lost for couple of years until they will figure out how to get the most out of the new engine. So by offering two different engines, Mtsubishi would be in a transition period, it seems they want to move Evo X a bit upscale so they can't just ignore the real EVO tuner crowd that has been supporting their company for so many years.

So that way they would have a good ol' 4G63 for the tuners and the all-new larger displacement engine for the new general public that Mitsubishi apparently wants to go after with EVO X. They already have 4G63 all running well, eventually it will be retired but it still holds its own. SO it's not like Mitsubishi would have to go out of it's way and spend more money for new technology. 4G63 is here since 1988 and the new engine would have to be made eventually.

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 05:22 PM
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Uhh you guys... no one knows what the X is going to look like. I can promise you that it "WILL NOT" look like the concept X or that orange X pic floating around. I showed my Mitsu rep both pics and he said it looks nothing like either of them. He said it looks like a cross between the current one and the concept x. More sleek but still looks like an evo design with the bulging fenders, hood, big wing, etc... So no need to compare the IX with the X until we get concrete photos.
What Mitsu rep? If they had pictures of the new EVO I guarantee you that they would be on the net by now so I doubt they know what they are saying. Last time I went to my Mitsu dealer they told me that new Lancers and EVO should be here by fall 2006 and the only Mitsubishi car that is going to get released during that time seems to be the Outlander and I don't think Mitsubishi is going to release 3 new cars at the same time.

So in conclusion, I wouldn't listen to anything any dealer reps have to say in regard to Mitsu products as they want you to think that they know but they don't. Internet is a wondeful thing, I am more than sure that some dude in Japan would take spy shots of the new EVO as that would be a very popular pic.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
What Mitsu rep? If they had pictures of the new EVO I guarantee you that they would be on the net by now so I doubt they know what they are saying. Last time I went to my Mitsu dealer they told me that new Lancers and EVO should be here by fall 2006 and the only Mitsubishi car that is going to get released during that time seems to be the Outlander and I don't think Mitsubishi is going to release 3 new cars at the same time.

So in conclusion, I wouldn't listen to anything any dealer reps have to say in regard to Mitsu products as they want you to think that they know but they don't. Internet is a wondeful thing, I am more than sure that some dude in Japan would take spy shots of the new EVO as that would be a very popular pic.

You can listen to whatever you want. Personally I wouldn't listen to a bunch of people on the net (aka: the grapevine) who here little tidbits and fill in the blanks with what they wish and hope will come true. As for my rep, It's my DPSM. (district parts/service manager). He's seen pics of the final production car and my sales guys also went to a meeting and described the same thing. Mitsu just doesn't want to let the cat outta the bag so they won't release a hard copy pic. You see it on a slideshow at a training seminar. That way they control what gets out better. As for fall of 2006... uh.. no. The evo IX production ends around the end of august of this year. then there will be a 16-18 month lapse in production. there will be no 07 evo in the us. We're getting the X in Q1 of 2008 as an 08 model. You can say what ya want about trusting who ya want. the X will not look like the concept X or the other pics I've seen in orange and yellow that look like a damn pontiac.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
If they introduce the all-new engine, the mod part will be kind of lost for couple of years until they will figure out how to get the most out of the new engine.
I am sure it won't take that long as I am certain Mitsu will send engines and or prototype cars to HKS, JUN, Tomei, Top Secret, etc. etc so they can get started on the next wave of parts. They probably have them now.

So by offering two different engines, Mtsubishi would be in a transition period,
No, that would cost too much money and cause quality control problems. They have to put new technology inplace for upcoming emissions standards.

it seems they want to move Evo X a bit upscale so they can't just ignore the real EVO tuner crowd that has been supporting their company for so many years.
That's just the common heresay bandied about on this board. "OH NOES! Teh Evo iz ded! They are tuning it into a luxury car!" I see no evidence to support that.

So that way they would have a good ol' 4G63 for the tuners and the all-new larger displacement engine for the new general public that Mitsubishi apparently wants to go after with EVO X.
That's just more unfounded conclusions. The new engine is 2.0L to comply with WRC regulations as always. They may not be competing now, but that doesn't mean they never plan to compete again.

4G63 is here since 1988
Its way older then that.

and the new engine would have to be made eventually.
Yeah, like now.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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see that would go great for mitsu because not everyone likes the look of the evo and thats why they buy other cars but who would resist a awd coupe to begin with and add a turbo and theres more point on your side there. and it is a pretty bling bling car id compare the gsx with a g35 coupe anyday equally equiped.
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 10:56 PM
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evo hands down, eclipse is nice tho
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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but it really just matter what you are lloking for i guess also has to be factored in .....me evo all the way though
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 07:29 AM
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You can listen to whatever you want. Personally I wouldn't listen to a bunch of people on the net (aka: the grapevine) who here little tidbits and fill in the blanks with what they wish and hope will come true. As for my rep, It's my DPSM. (district parts/service manager). He's seen pics of the final production car and my sales guys also went to a meeting and described the same thing. Mitsu just doesn't want to let the cat outta the bag so they won't release a hard copy pic. You see it on a slideshow at a training seminar. That way they control what gets out better. As for fall of 2006... uh.. no. The evo IX production ends around the end of august of this year. then there will be a 16-18 month lapse in production. there will be no 07 evo in the us. We're getting the X in Q1 of 2008 as an 08 model. You can say what ya want about trusting who ya want. the X will not look like the concept X or the other pics I've seen in orange and yellow that look like a damn pontiac.
Q1 of 2008 is a release date for Europe, I am more than sure we will see Evo X in USA a bit sooner, more like mid/fall 2007 as Mitsubishi stated that they want the new Evo to come out in US first.

Anyway, I know that Evo X won't look exactly like Concept X but I just can't imagine a car that would look like a mixture of the current Evo IX and Concept X, that would look just hideous, those two cars have totally different body lines. What I see, however is that they retain the body lines from Concept X and probably change all the lights which would give a "different" than Concept X look.

Besides there was an interview with the actual Concept X designer and he stated that Concept X is pretty much the next Evo with exception to rear tail lights, so I would rather go with this.

Look closely at the recent Mitsubishi concept cars (Concept E, Colt Concept, L200 Concept (Pajero Evo)) and basically the body lines stay virtually the same, the most noticable difference is in the lights.
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by blitzkrieg79
Q1 of 2008 is a release date for Europe, I am more than sure we will see Evo X in USA a bit sooner, more like mid/fall 2007 as Mitsubishi stated that they want the new Evo to come out in US first.

Anyway, I know that Evo X won't look exactly like Concept X but I just can't imagine a car that would look like a mixture of the current Evo IX and Concept X, that would look just hideous, those two cars have totally different body lines. What I see, however is that they retain the body lines from Concept X and probably change all the lights which would give a "different" than Concept X look.

Besides there was an interview with the actual Concept X designer and he stated that Concept X is pretty much the next Evo with exception to rear tail lights, so I would rather go with this.

Look closely at the recent Mitsubishi concept cars (Concept E, Colt Concept, L200 Concept (Pajero Evo)) and basically the body lines stay virtually the same, the most noticable difference is in the lights.

We're definately getting the X in Q1 of 08. My General Sales Manager has been told by Mitsu the anticipated US release date and the lapse in available evo's. That's why we just recently ordered 10 more evo's before the final cut off for ordering. The only other evo's that will follow are SE IX's that are allocated based upon how many regular IX units the dealers sell. Example maybe 1 SE per ever 3 IX's ordered throughout the year. Mitsu was clear with him so he could decide how many IX's to order to "try" to hold the dealership and consumers over a bit during that 16mo. lapse.
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 07:37 AM
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I am sure it won't take that long as I am certain Mitsu will send engines and or prototype cars to HKS, JUN, Tomei, Top Secret, etc. etc so they can get started on the next wave of parts. They probably have them now.



No, that would cost too much money and cause quality control problems. They have to put new technology inplace for upcoming emissions standards.



That's just the common heresay bandied about on this board. "OH NOES! Teh Evo iz ded! They are tuning it into a luxury car!" I see no evidence to support that.



That's just more unfounded conclusions. The new engine is 2.0L to comply with WRC regulations as always. They may not be competing now, but that doesn't mean they never plan to compete again.


Its way older then that.



Yeah, like now.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2005/11/...cale/#comments

http://forums.streetfire.net/showthread.php?t=3316 (and scroll down to post #5)
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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So? Those articles prove nothing. "Moving upmarket" is such a broad term, it offers nothing concrete. Just by offering an automatic they will broaden its appeal, it doesn't mean the car is ruined.
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 01:09 PM
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So? Those articles prove nothing. "Moving upmarket" is such a broad term, it offers nothing concrete. Just by offering an automatic they will broaden its appeal, it doesn't mean the car is ruined.
In all due respect I would rather listen to what Mitsubishis execs and designers have to say about it rather than some of the misinformed US dealers (representatives) . Of course those articles prove nothing but it shows that Concept X pretty much won't be different from the next production Lancer EVO.

I realize that we won't know anything for sure untile the final product will start to actually sell.
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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I never said the Concept X wasn't close to what the next Evo will be. I just don't buy in to the fact that it will be some Audi/BMW type vehicle that isn't tuner friendly and heavily laden with luxury features like most people here tend to accept.

It is not unusual for a company to put out vague points and misdirection before such an important product launch to keep their competition guessing.
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 02:05 AM
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that's what i call a beauty.... on the book shelf...
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