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Old Jul 17, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Funny because the douche in the C6 vette is probably thinking 2 things....."this car should make up for my small johnson AND how can i get my car as fast as that EVO from 0-80mph"
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 01:13 AM
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to answer the original question, the Evo has relatively crappy top end acceleration (as opposed to low end acceleration), because of:

1) brick like coefficient of drag - lots of wind resistance to overcome at higher speeds.

2) crappy top end gearing - esp. true for 5spd Evo's - e.g. the IX's 4th gear runs out at 110mph-ish...after that you have 1 gear to go all the way to 160mph+

that's pretty much the main reasons...

in stock form the turbo boost tapers off badly at higher rpm, but even with every mod on the stock turbo the low end acceleration will still always be better than the top end due to the above 2 reasons...

want a top end car, get something with gearing built for top end runs (e.g. c6 z06, with 1st gear going to 60mph ), and something with good coefficient of drag (vettes have Cd of .29 or something, VS. the Evo's .35)

or just build the crap outta the Evo...
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fusionchicken
to answer the original question, the Evo has relatively crappy top end acceleration (as opposed to low end acceleration), because of:

1) brick like coefficient of drag - lots of wind resistance to overcome at higher speeds.

2) crappy top end gearing - esp. true for 5spd Evo's - e.g. the IX's 4th gear runs out at 110mph-ish...after that you have 1 gear to go all the way to 160mph+

that's pretty much the main reasons...

in stock form the turbo boost tapers off badly at higher rpm, but even with every mod on the stock turbo the low end acceleration will still always be better than the top end due to the above 2 reasons...

want a top end car, get something with gearing built for top end runs (e.g. c6 z06, with 1st gear going to 60mph ), and something with good coefficient of drag (vettes have Cd of .29 or something, VS. the Evo's .35)

or just build the crap outta the Evo...
+1000

How you been fusion?
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mpevo8
convert it to rwd.lol.i think the main reason is because its awd. i think if the black ams built evo was rwd no car would stand a chance against it. i know that the engine in he evo is facing the wrong way for it to be rwd so its kinda impossible.
How is this?? AWD give more stability and traction at higher speed. I'm not sure how your theory works or what you mean by converting to RWD, but there are some units that can control torque split between front and rear, all the way from 0% to 100%. And even as is, when road is twisty enough, we own the road. People describe cars, right? I describe my C5 Vette as, "chick magnet," "Wild," and my Miata as "Cute," "Economical." I can only describe my MR in one thing. "Well balanced." I don't mean it does OK on all stages, but braking, accelaration, suspension, weight transfer, traction, and all is well balanced. That's what makes the car go crazy fast on twisty road!

Evo is made for WRC, which is the untimate street racing. Not freeway racing against V8 American cars. I raced 911 Turbo on freeway and the guy was just pulling away from me.. Once we got to corners, I passed him right away, but straight line, we cannot compete with those bigger engine cars.(My Evo is compeletely stock!) My suggestion is to get C6 Corvette. Their pricing is coming down now days, and they are very easy to modify. I traded in my C5 to get my MR, and I am very happy with it, for I like twist road, but if you like freeway, then go with Corvette. You can't go wrong with it.

Sorry for the long post..
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Minmey15
How is this?? AWD give more stability and traction at higher speed. I'm not sure how your theory works or what you mean by converting to RWD, but there are some units that can control torque split between front and rear, all the way from 0% to 100%. And even as is, when road is twisty enough, we own the road. People describe cars, right? I describe my C5 Vette as, "chick magnet," "Wild," and my Miata as "Cute," "Economical." I can only describe my MR in one thing. "Well balanced." I don't mean it does OK on all stages, but braking, accelaration, suspension, weight transfer, traction, and all is well balanced. That's what makes the car go crazy fast on twisty road!

Evo is made for WRC, which is the untimate street racing. Not freeway racing against V8 American cars. I raced 911 Turbo on freeway and the guy was just pulling away from me.. Once we got to corners, I passed him right away, but straight line, we cannot compete with those bigger engine cars.(My Evo is compeletely stock!) My suggestion is to get C6 Corvette. Their pricing is coming down now days, and they are very easy to modify. I traded in my C5 to get my MR, and I am very happy with it, for I like twist road, but if you like freeway, then go with Corvette. You can't go wrong with it.

Sorry for the long post..
c5 vettes are sweet, cars, i don't know about "chick magnet" and "wild" though. i've attracted more girls with my STi then i did with my '00 C5 vert. although, girls pulled in by the car aren't worth more then one hard ride or so. by this, i mean back-roading...
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Old Jul 18, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dUb KllR
c5 vettes are sweet, cars, i don't know about "chick magnet" and "wild" though. i've attracted more girls with my STi then i did with my '00 C5 vert. although, girls pulled in by the car aren't worth more then one hard ride or so. by this, i mean back-roading...
Really? The only Vette I owned was C5, but I can say it is pretty wild. When I took it to twisty road, second gear, full throttle always required counter steers. I can't say that it is fast way to drive, but it sure was fun! Considering how big the car is, I'd say that's pretty wild. In my opinion anyway. Maybe convertibles are different, or your car is set up differently.

As for chick magnet, I'm not quite sure where you are, but where I am, Sti and Evo are considered just a sedan, and I never got any compliments from anyone with my Evo. With my Vette, it was everywhere I go. In fact, it wasn't just chicks, It was young kids to old people. Writing about C5 makes me miss it..
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Minmey15
How is this?? AWD give more stability and traction at higher speed. I'm not sure how your theory works or what you mean by converting to RWD, but there are some units that can control torque split between front and rear, all the way from 0% to 100%. And even as is, when road is twisty enough, we own the road. People describe cars, right? I describe my C5 Vette as, "chick magnet," "Wild," and my Miata as "Cute," "Economical." I can only describe my MR in one thing. "Well balanced." I don't mean it does OK on all stages, but braking, accelaration, suspension, weight transfer, traction, and all is well balanced. That's what makes the car go crazy fast on twisty road!

Evo is made for WRC, which is the untimate street racing. Not freeway racing against V8 American cars. I raced 911 Turbo on freeway and the guy was just pulling away from me.. Once we got to corners, I passed him right away, but straight line, we cannot compete with those bigger engine cars.(My Evo is compeletely stock!) My suggestion is to get C6 Corvette. Their pricing is coming down now days, and they are very easy to modify. I traded in my C5 to get my MR, and I am very happy with it, for I like twist road, but if you like freeway, then go with Corvette. You can't go wrong with it.

Sorry for the long post..
hmm, i'm no expert but i thought the main advantage of an awd is accelerating out of a turn. i thought awd has a disadvantage on the high end due to more drivetrains, differentials, etc because that causes friction as well. idk...just my 2cents.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:06 PM
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YOU didn't, but this guy did.
Ah! I did not see that, makes more sense now, the comment about the videos threw me off.
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Old Jul 19, 2007 | 11:48 PM
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I notice the lack of top end compared to turbo cars that are not AWD. I attribute this to drive train loss. I hate to say it but the SRT-4 makes a great highway puller. Ive been frustrated many time with lightly modded SRT-4's. I take comfort knowing however that from a dig tables turn in our favor (1/10 faster in the 60' = 2/10th on the big end). Ive got a solution though:

-MBC
-cams
-TBE
-a good road TUNE
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 12:08 AM
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The Evo MR does have a somewhat poor top end compared to certain american muscle cars, but it is still pretty damn quick. I raced my brother's friend's 06 Mustang GT, and while he started catching up to me from about 80-120, after 120, the Evo destroys it, as the Stang's 5th is way too tall. My brother described the Mustang's gearing as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 8th, and that's with the optional shorter rear end. I can blow his car's doors off coming onto a highway, due to my handling and bottom end power, and his car has the limited slip diff instead of the standard live rear axle. Ask a Mustang guy who beats you on the highway to race you on a road course, and show him what your car is good at. I'd gladly keep my Evo's bad top end versus having a car that can't corner.

You won't be beating Vette's or GT500's without heavy mods, but hey, there's a reason those people are paying 45-60,000 dollars, and you are paying mid 30's for the Evo, and you'll absolutely destroy any stock Mustang in the corners, the Corvette might be a different story, but then again, a Vette only seats two, so screw any practicality. The EVO is just a great overall car. It's reasonably efficient if driven so, it's nimble, fast, spacious, comfortably seats 4, and seats 5 fairly well and has good trunk space.

But like others have said, the Evo is designed to be a track car, not a dragster. Don't expect to beat cars that are designed that way without heavy mods. And as much as I love my Evo, I have to admit, the Corvette in any trim, base or Z06 is the best bang for your buck sports car in the world.
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