I have perused the appropriate forums for some info on which direction to go when it comes time to tune the evo. I'm a DSM guy, and have DSMlink. So far what I see is not impressing me. Obviously an AFC is going to cut it. I don't fancy myself an avid tuner but I can hold my own. The whole flashing thing with base maps for basic mods seems like a great path for someone building a cookie cutter car. As does the "emailed" tunes. I however don't leave anything alone for more than a week. But I'm not the kind that has ten grand to drop on mods at once and then off for a "professional" tune. Which I also see touted as the "right" way to do things. suuuuuure...

Needless to say I'm a little confused, and disappointed.

I'm picking up a 05 RS in about a week. Selling off all my DSM stuff, and I'd like to use some of that hoard of parts and car to mod the Evo. The car I'm picking up already has your basic bolt on's. Bushur fmic, uicp,licp, bov, intake, TBE, 272's, wb, and a dyno flash. That's cute and cuddly and all but if I start adding in more stuff I'm very aware of how a good tune is an absolute necessity. But with how repetitive this situation may become, I'm not shelling out for someone else to do what I certainly can do given the proper tools.

I've seen some threads with ecu flash, but also mentioned a limited amount of times an ecu can be flashed... (not good for me, I like to dial a car in pretty far and simply reload saved tunes for given temps/seasons and even baro) Paying for the cable to hookup no sweat. Par for the course. But I do not want to be dependant on anyone else for my given tune. (as in the day I log something, and send out for my tune is the day I buy a Dodge Neon and quit cars all together)
That's to me.

Obviously I'm an Evo noob. Just looking for a little direction, so I can get a good push in what I should be researching more for tuning options. Maybe I'm spoiled coming from DSMlink... but I'd really prefer to not shell out for an AEM. However... if I can't find anything better than what I've seen... I don't see a choice.

My goals for the car are long reaching. Not so much now, but eventually? I'm sure I'll be building a motor (hopefully before I break it) and following the trend I've always pursued, big turbo... big boost.

lil' help?

 

i doubt you'll flash your evo too many times...

 

one of the luminaries in the ecuflash forum has over 1000 flashes.
I might have 100 on mine, you will be fine.

 

Ok, it was mentioned in the "must read".
I guess thats a, "we have to say this just in case thing"

So I don't have to worry about it. This is good.

How much control can I get out of a flash?
Lets say I have a set of FIC 950's laying around.

Can I toss them in and load a flash that accomadates them? Is there a raw portion of the software that lets me edit fuel tables and timing etc? I'd like to have my stutter box too. Are these things I personally can edit and set?

I know, noob stuff. You can shove links at me if there's something I need to see to shut me up.

 

here you go
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=tune+ecuflash
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...=tune+ecuflash

 

I think that with the large injectors it's just a matter of scaling them through ECUFlash. Takes about 5 minutes. There are some informative threads in the EcuFlash subforum. My buddy scaled my ECU for bigger injectors in a couple minutes. You should have no problem.

 

You made two of the exact same threads.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=290327

 

I double posted by accident too. The forum locked up, I clicked refresh, and then there was 2...

I started picking thru the Ecuflash forum and found most of the services based flashing stuff. Which personally I just can't see me doing. In my double posted thread I got pushed to buy a certain period of time for flashes from a tuner. Bah... And then told to book dyno time and get a flash. I could care less what the car does on a dyno. Driveability and ET's are more my concern. I have a 3065 sitting here. If I wanted raw dyno queen power I'd buy the odds and ends from buschur and fill it full of C16. But, the Talon has the motor that will hold anything the 3065 or bigger will dish out. I'm assuming the Evo won't handle it. And I'd like to just concentrate on fine tuning the existing setup before I slap on a big turbo and... well... push the head off, or vent the block.

I will check the links and try and learn some more. I think with some of the toys I have left over from the Talon I should be able to do some damage in a hurry. So I need to play catch-up on the tuning/learning evo specific things.

Thanks for the help so far. Keep it coming. I'm an evo newb.

 

Woot! Good. Looks like those carry over from the Talon too. One less thing to buy. Sounds as easy as DSMlink too. Which was *click* *click* done.

Now, are there any pocket PC apps for flashing?
I currently have DSMlink on my xv6700 pda phone...


Even if I could log with it I would be happy. Gives me something to do at work.

 

No flashing for Pocket PC yet but Pocket PC logging is working but in development. Search in the ECU flash thread. Also, the stock Evo block can handle the 3065 if it's tuned properly. I'm not familiar with DSM Link but all the tools are readily available for tuning Evo's and they mostly all open source and free as well. I mean you could splurge and spend $20.00 on Evo Scan and $50.00 for DataLogLab but even that is not necessary since Mitsulogger is free and works great and you can use Excel to review logs.

tactrix cable - ~$90.00
map editing / flashing software : ECU Flash
datalogging : EvoScan or Mitsulogger
log analysis and road dyno : DataLogLab or EvoScan (slightly limited)
DTC checking - ScanTech
Wideband - you have one already right? if not get one.. Innovative, AEM, and Zietronix supported.


ECU Flash - Free
Mitsulogger - Free
Dataloglab - ~50.00 I think
EvoScan - ~ 20.00 I think
Tuning experience - Price Varies.. $0.00 - $$$$$

 

Sounds good, again, thank you. The quicker I get into the meat of the subject the quicker I can dive in. I much prefer to road tune cars, than dyno tune etc. This will be a d/d situation. Not piles of miles, but I'd like to drive it as much as possible. And if need be, switch maps, and go run deep into the 11's with ease. I'm already eyeing a twin disc, which I think is the last piece the car needs before its ready for some fun.

What will the Evo short block hold? You have my interest peaked. I'm afraid I'll push the head off without an O-ring job. The situation can't be that much different from my DSM.

Car has innovate WB already.

Which is why I'd like to dig straight into tuning the car. As, the basics are done.

DSMlink.
www.ecmtuning.com
Don't read it if your satisfied with the above ^ it'll just make you wish they made EVOLink. lol... its so easy, and can be tuned while you drive down the road.

Best tuning platform I've ever touched by far for the money.

 

I downloaded ECU FLASH and followed some of that tutorial in that one thread. With the map they tell you to load and play with.

It appears to do alot of what DSMlink does, just in a much less user friendly way. But, from some of the threads I've picked up and read, it seems as though there really aren't too many limitations as to what "can" be done with altered roms. From the knock CEL feature, and even a MAF delete MAP rom. This is cool. But man... I miss my sliders and global adj's. But, I guess its like anything else... I'll learn.

I was trying to scale for say, 950cc/min inj... but couldn't really figure out how to do it.

 

My suggestion would be to go to the ECU Flash forum and sort by "rating", this will pull up all of the 5 star threads and will help you much more than just starting from day 1 for example.

Here's the injector scaling thread
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=207924

 

welcome.. I have links on my website to all the tools you'll need to tune it yourself and don't worry too much about the flash limitation, we have a guy with over 1000 flashes done on his own ECU without problems. www.mellontuning.com

 

chris is the man go with him. it is night and day diff