EVO -vs- Ferrari 360 -> mods/power to equal or beat
You're welcome to check the various SCCA, NASA, etc. racing series where Civics, in modified form, dominate. A Civic can easily handle as well as an Evo, AWD isn't god's gift to the car world.
Again... it is JUST a civic... it's never going to be a special car... are you in love with a honda or someone who owns one? lol
and also, as I stated a civic is a civic... it's not an S2000 which would at least be more of a special car to the auto world. The Evo has already made it's reputation as one of the cars to beat and that won't change.. the civic? Nope... and never will be.
several people have already stated that given the knowledge and the skills that any car is capable of beating another.. no one here that I saw stated that AWD was "God's gift to the world" either. A standard civic vs. a standard Evo is a no brainer in any performance situation... I don't know about the Ferrari, nor do I care, but I do know that many articles that I have read have talked about it performing on or around the supercar ability. The Evo to me is a marvel for what it can do for the price and is my perfect car. Are there other cars i'd like to have? Sure, but I don't have the money to spend on them, at least not to the point of it making financial sense.
and also, as I stated a civic is a civic... it's not an S2000 which would at least be more of a special car to the auto world. The Evo has already made it's reputation as one of the cars to beat and that won't change.. the civic? Nope... and never will be.
and also, as I stated a civic is a civic... it's not an S2000 which would at least be more of a special car to the auto world. The Evo has already made it's reputation as one of the cars to beat and that won't change.. the civic? Nope... and never will be.
Actually I drive a bear to the bearpocalypse. Do you own a Ferrari or are you just commenting about them?
People are talking about a modded Evo vs a stock Ferrari, hardly a standard vs standard comparison. I've simply offered a similar situation, in this case a modded Civic vs. a stock Evo. The Evo is a great performer, but it's not a some amazing car that everyone knows about and everyone drools over. The average person can't tell an Evo from a Lancer and has no idea what the Evo can do. It's not a special car, it's just special to you, there is a difference. You can't have it both ways, if you want to denounce the Civic because it's just a Civic, well you have to accept that compared to a Ferrari, an Evo is just an Evo.
And yes I agree, an civic is a civic, an evo is an evo, and a ferrari is a ferrari. But look at the rarity of each car. There is nothing mind blowing about a civic at all. And when an evo IX fq400 keeps up with and out handles a lamborghini murcielago, you have to admit that's damn impressive.
But then again, all someone has to do is look at your history of posts and see how "trollish" you are. Still have yet to figure out why you're here. I think you're just bitter about your old lancer
I'm sure in the world of the wealthy a Ferrari 360 isn't very special, but to 95%+ of the population it is.
I don't consider Porsche 911's exotics; unless you get to the 911 GT2, GT3's, or the GT3 RS versions.
I don't consider Porsche 911's exotics; unless you get to the 911 GT2, GT3's, or the GT3 RS versions.
People are talking about a modded Evo vs a stock Ferrari, hardly a standard vs standard comparison. I've simply offered a similar situation, in this case a modded Civic vs. a stock Evo. The Evo is a great performer, but it's not a some amazing car that everyone knows about and everyone drools over. The average person can't tell an Evo from a Lancer and has no idea what the Evo can do. It's not a special car, it's just special to you, there is a difference. You can't have it both ways, if you want to denounce the Civic because it's just a Civic, well you have to accept that compared to a Ferrari, an Evo is just an Evo.
Sure a Ferrari is more well known... and is also a special car... forget it.. let's try this... based on performance we'll take the price... 2004 spyder 360. 180,000.00. 0-60 4.0-4.5 seconds (based on different articles) 1/4 12.2-12.8@112-117 mph, skidpad .95g's, slalom speed 67.2 mph.
To be fair we'll compare it to a same year Evo which did 0-60 in 4.3-4.6 seconds, again, depends on which site you are looking at. 1/4 times range from the RS 13.2-13.3 @ 99.7 (even one article that stated 13.1@105.1 mph) mph to the GSR which was a tenth or 2 higher. Skidpad .95g's slalom 70- 73.1 mph.
Top speed Ferrari is 182-186 mph
Evo 155-157 (limited)
So, after all of that IF you are strictly after performance, they both produce good numbers... is it worth the extra 150,000.00 or so grand for .5-1 second on the 1/4? No... then again the Ferrari is a status symbol as much as it is a car, but for performance vs. money.. the Evo beats the Ferrari every time IMO... want to do the same for the civic and see those numbers?
I'm still waiting to see proof of a civic handling better than an evo... and remember, dollar for dollar on mods you can make the evo handle even better. In the end the Civic is still just a FWD car, no matter what struts, coilovers, LSDs, etc you have... it still needs to compensate for that rear end.
And yes I agree, an civic is a civic, an evo is an evo, and a ferrari is a ferrari. But look at the rarity of each car. There is nothing mind blowing about a civic at all. And when an evo IX fq400 keeps up with and out handles a lamborghini murcielago, you have to admit that's damn impressive.
But then again, all someone has to do is look at your history of posts and see how "trollish" you are. Still have yet to figure out why you're here. I think you're just bitter about your old lancer
And yes I agree, an civic is a civic, an evo is an evo, and a ferrari is a ferrari. But look at the rarity of each car. There is nothing mind blowing about a civic at all. And when an evo IX fq400 keeps up with and out handles a lamborghini murcielago, you have to admit that's damn impressive.
But then again, all someone has to do is look at your history of posts and see how "trollish" you are. Still have yet to figure out why you're here. I think you're just bitter about your old lancer
There's nothing mind blowing about an Evo either, they're not ridiculously expensive nor are they exclusive.
And of course there's the classic troll argument, naturally since I don't get a chub every time someone mentions the Evo I'm a troll.
Ummm, well I don't remember commenting on the Ferrari's abilities at all save my last post which is based off of REAL tests and REAL numbers... did you see any posts of me doing it previously?
You guys doubting the price per ability on a Civic or Integra are welcome to come here, I am sure either of the two guys I know would be happy to take you for a ride. Especially since the one STOPPED modding his Evo for a track car and bought a ITR to make his track car and hasn't looked back. Sure it isn't as fast as the modded Evos that are racing out there, but it definitely is as fast as the factory Evos for less cost. Plus, it costs less to run overall. So dollar for dollar, they are both faster than an Evo... Unless you buy a salvage title Evo for 10k and rebuild it yourself. I know both cars cost less than 20k total to build to their current status and to purchase.
But you don't really need any proof, simple thought process would help you realize a Civic can handle better with very little mods than a factory Evo. Weight reduction, coils, and maybe a few other things... But this comes into the Evo vs Ferrari debate... Who's going to be more comfortable? The stock Evo, or the Civic modded at minimum cost to out handle an Evo.
I got out handled in the MODDED Evo, running R-comps, by a spec miata... Only thing he had over normal spec miata stats were pure race slicks, he passed me on the outside of a corner.
Last edited by UT_Evo; Sep 9, 2009 at 01:52 PM.