ok Mr. Troll ... you and UT go play nice with each other now... I have presented enough FACTS to you and you don't like the fact that you lost the debate.. just try taking a deep breath and swallow defeat... it looks like this

 

Yep, again with the troll argument. You've presented warped facts and limited the situation so as to favor the Evo.
Let's go through the limits placed on the argument
1. Cars must be from the same year. Ignore the fact that the F360 was originally sold in 1999 and ended in 2005, you can use any Evo as a comparison point. The same cannot be said of a Civic vs. Evo comparison as that wouldn't be fair.
2. Cars must be compared stock to stock. Ignore the fact that stock to stock the Ferrari is faster.
3. Performance is the only concern. Ignore the fact that from a performance standpoint, the Ferrari is faster, the Evo "wins" in some respects (ie. magazine numbers) therefore it is king.
4. Exclusivity and rarity is a measure of specialness. Ignore the fact the Evo is neither exclusive nor rare, it wins in that respect as well.
5. Like has to be compared to like. Ignore the fact that the Evo RS was used for the performance numbers, while the base 360 was used, it doesn't matter that the 360 also came in the Challenge trim, the Evo still "wins".
So basically, given all the rules you wanted to use (and broke), the Ferrari was superior but that doesn't matter because you drive an Evo therefore it feeds on rainbows and vents orgasms as it drives down the road.

 

Once Again, its humerous......

Methodical, you keep ignoring the comment of an Evo vs an actual performance car in the ferrari f430, when are we going to start that comparison

we keep arguing a modified evo vs a stock 360

my point remains

a modified crx / miata / will perform better than an evo if you are using a modified vs a stock car scenario

thats what you guys who all keep favoring the evo are forgetting.

someone said stock evo = boost controller, tbe, cai, tune = uh huh, that nets you a good 60-75 horse over stock....... I wouldn't say stock at all.

methodical, since you are about stats, look up the stats on a challenge trim 360 how do they compare to be honest, i have no clue, simply asking.

People who buy ferrari's don't go out on the weekends looking to go street racing

Driver mod is an incredible mod, you take an average driver of an evo, which most of us are. meaning you take most of us out on real road course, the times would be HORRIBLE

You take a good driver in the ferrari and it will make things look very lopsided.

my line still remains, you can polish a turd, put tires and a big engine and have it beat any car

you wanna compare a evo to a New ZR1 Vette I mean it only sells for $123,000 while an Evo can be bought for $30k...... could we make the same comparison as a stock evo will beat the all mighty zr1 vette lets compare the stats - I can gaurantee that someone will say they are not in the same league or class as one another.

So I will use the car below:

how about the godzilla -

you take the lowest model ferrari which to me, is not really a performance screamer and the figures are still close between the evo and in the real world on a actual track i don't see how a stock evo will beat the ferrari given the same track, same driver.

All this thread does is really prove how ignorant some people really are to the automotive industry and to be honest its kinda sad.

How many people that actually read this thread actually respect all cars or a pure enthusiast?

I am not ignoring the fact the evo right out of the box is probably the best performance buy but any joe of the street can go and buy a evo, its not much more than the average cost of any vehicle right now.

if the evo looked sooooo good and peformance is as important to all why would someone buy the ford taurus sho over the evo - gonna cost more than an evo....


tomorrow we will see a thread started about a my modded ralliart beat a evo..... no offense to the original poster as I know this is not where he wanted this thread to go but I just don't get how we compare a modded car vs a stock low performing ferrari and then to top that not understand why the fight for a modded honda to beat the mighty evo is not as glamerous.

For many car people, if they knew they could buy a civic, swap it, turbo kit on a stock block and beat an evo easily thats almost just as impressive if you ask me.

for comparison - Evo - $30k Ferrari - $180k

honda with swap and turbo kit and Suspension = $20k ( which is high ) to an Evo = $30k

so not only will the $20k honda beat an evo hands down, it will take down MANY cars well above its price range.....

cost of insurance - honda
cost of fuel - honda
looks - evo
performance - honda

so in the theory of a modded car vs one that costs higher in this scenario the evo gets spanked

 

Everyone here has been throwing around the word STOCK to much, what is stock anymore? in Europe you can buy 3 or 4 different Evos ranging between 100 hp. are all of those stock, or just the weakest one? same thing with the corvette, whats stock the regular one, or the ZR1 with the same motor and an added supercharger? the main thing i want to know is are you guys saying stock as what the motor was intended for originally, ex. the 350z/g35's motor is a maxima motor with different cams. or is stock exactly how you buy the car from the dealer?
After all that blabbering, i agree to what ambystom was saying. compare apples to apples. stock or not, you can't compare an awd to a rwd or a 4 cyl to a 6. every and any car can perform. as long as you have money you can take out the fastest Hemi out there with a geo metra. back on track if the discussion was comparing the FQ400 to the 360. evo all the way track and straight line. hate to repost this but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ees2aZcDUn8, adn that was a 570 hp lambo with awd, not a 400 hp rwd ferrari

 

the main point of the thread and what it has been turned into is simple

moddified evo beat a ferrari 360

all my point is anything modified vs a stock car can be beat but its a double standard to some evo owners because an evo gets beat by a moddified honda and then the stories start.

 

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ultimately meaning... no life

 

Exactly! And its nice to see that dollar for dollar, when all is said and done, the guy that bought that Ferrari, got ripped off. Thats why no matter what amount of money I have, I'd never purchase any of those "exotics". I can build a much faster machine for much less money. Half them rich B*stards who even purchase these cars don't know a bolt from a nut. The only thing they know how to do is write a check. And I love keeping them in check.

And for the record: Yes, I love the scene in Fast and Furious when the Supra destroys the Ferrari.

 

1. I compared a 2004 Ferrari to a 2004 Evo... so my facts aren't twisted at all.
2. I NEVER ignored a single thing... I stated that if you want to spend 150,000.00 more on a car that can beat an Evo by .5-1 second in the quarter and by 2 or so tenths from 0-60, but is equal to an Evo on the skidpad and LOSES.. I repeat a 180,000.00 car LOSES to a 30,000 one by a full 5-7 mph in the slalom... an 09 WRX does better actually.
3. Magazine numbers are numbers that have been tested... and my sources came from multiple articles.. not just one magazine or one test. Edmunds and motor trend are usually pretty good sources wouldn't you say?
4. I never said that the Evo was an extremely rare car.. I said it was rare in my area. and based on sales numbers in the past they are fairly rare... for instance there were approximately 350 Evo RS models produced.. you wouldn't say that will be a rare car in the future? A Ferrari is more rare around here and i'm sure in general.. I acknowledged that it was a special car, read my posts instead of making up what I say lol.
5... ummm, all of my performance numbers were in fact NOT based solely on the RS... again.. I commented that the GSR's 1/4 time was a tenth or so off of the RS's.... and so what if I used the Ferrari's standard 360 instead of it's "challenge" trim lol it's a freaking almost 200k Ferrari that BARELY comes out ahead of the Evolution. I think you're upset that I have made you look pretty stupid on everything you have said and you after your crying fits, you think of something new to post and then when you do.. I do it to you all over again.

 

Oh no I drive a Subaru, go back to your fanboy cave. I was also a moderator and thus posted a lot.

 

Or that I don't buy the fanboy argument that a lot of people take and thus have a lot of posts in response to it. Funny how you say I have no life yet here you are, posting. That's the pot calling the kettle black.

 

fosho FOSHO!!!

 

We were not talking about the 430... the OP asked about the 360.. you are welcome to open a new thread about that model and show all of the stats. Oh, but keep in mind that you will now be talking about a car in the price range of 187,925-282,618 and oh yeah... it's performance better be a damn sight better than the 360 up against a 2.0 4 cylinder lol. http://www.motortrend.com/new_cars/0...430/index.html

 

oh, but you aren't a mod now? Hmmm, from your posts I wonder why that is lol. Awww, we upset you, you should just delete your account and stick with the Subaru forums then!

 

yeah, it is good stuff lol