EVO -vs- Ferrari 360 -> mods/power to equal or beat
1. I compared a 2004 Ferrari to a 2004 Evo... so my facts aren't twisted at all.
2. I NEVER ignored a single thing... I stated that if you want to spend 150,000.00 more on a car that can beat an Evo by .5-1 second in the quarter and by 2 or so tenths from 0-60, but is equal to an Evo on the skidpad and LOSES.. I repeat a 180,000.00 car LOSES to a 30,000 one by a full 5-7 mph in the slalom... an 09 WRX does better actually.
3. Magazine numbers are numbers that have been tested... and my sources came from multiple articles.. not just one magazine or one test. Edmunds and motor trend are usually pretty good sources wouldn't you say?
4. I never said that the Evo was an extremely rare car.. I said it was rare in my area. and based on sales numbers in the past they are fairly rare... for instance there were approximately 350 Evo RS models produced.. you wouldn't say that will be a rare car in the future? A Ferrari is more rare around here and i'm sure in general.. I acknowledged that it was a special car, read my posts instead of making up what I say lol.
5... ummm, all of my performance numbers were in fact NOT based solely on the RS... again.. I commented that the GSR's 1/4 time was a tenth or so off of the RS's.... and so what if I used the Ferrari's standard 360 instead of it's "challenge" trim lol it's a freaking almost 200k Ferrari that BARELY comes out ahead of the Evolution. I think you're upset that I have made you look pretty stupid on everything you have said and you after your crying fits, you think of something new to post and then when you do.. I do it to you all over again.
2. I NEVER ignored a single thing... I stated that if you want to spend 150,000.00 more on a car that can beat an Evo by .5-1 second in the quarter and by 2 or so tenths from 0-60, but is equal to an Evo on the skidpad and LOSES.. I repeat a 180,000.00 car LOSES to a 30,000 one by a full 5-7 mph in the slalom... an 09 WRX does better actually.
3. Magazine numbers are numbers that have been tested... and my sources came from multiple articles.. not just one magazine or one test. Edmunds and motor trend are usually pretty good sources wouldn't you say?
4. I never said that the Evo was an extremely rare car.. I said it was rare in my area. and based on sales numbers in the past they are fairly rare... for instance there were approximately 350 Evo RS models produced.. you wouldn't say that will be a rare car in the future? A Ferrari is more rare around here and i'm sure in general.. I acknowledged that it was a special car, read my posts instead of making up what I say lol.
5... ummm, all of my performance numbers were in fact NOT based solely on the RS... again.. I commented that the GSR's 1/4 time was a tenth or so off of the RS's.... and so what if I used the Ferrari's standard 360 instead of it's "challenge" trim lol it's a freaking almost 200k Ferrari that BARELY comes out ahead of the Evolution. I think you're upset that I have made you look pretty stupid on everything you have said and you after your crying fits, you think of something new to post and then when you do.. I do it to you all over again.
2. The fact remains that the Ferrari is faster in the 1/4, faster in the 0-60 race and will be faster at a track. You're also comparing the best Evo times to what I suspect are the average Ferrari times at best.
3. See above, the numbers are fine but the Ferrari is still faster.
4. How many Civic Type-Rs were made? So naturally that's a rare car right? And special?
5. The base 360 was Ferrari's base car yet you want to compare the top performer in Mitsubishi's stable to it (which is still slower). You're also ignoring the fact that the Ferrari has a **** load more money in the interior, the brakes, the transmission, etc. than the Evo. Of course it's going to cost more without a giant leap in performance. Hell, a 276000$ Aston Martin DBS takes 4.1 seconds to get to 60 so naturally the Evo is better right? A 455000$ McLaren takes 3.5 seconds which isn't that far off the Evo so I guess the Evo wins again
.In conclusion, take the fanboy goggles off, the Evo is a great car but it's no Ferrari.
I really don't understand how people can argue without facts for so long... the only person who's presented any facts is methodical... kudos.
Lets look at Top Gears test track... Anyone have any problems taking "magazine numbers" out of it and using real track times with a professional driver?
#10 - Ferrari Enzo - 1:19.0
#15 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 1:19.7
#21 - Ferrari 599 - 1:21.2
#23 - Ferrari 360 Challange Stradale - 1:22.3
#27 - Ferrari F430 F1 - 1:22.9
#31 - Ferrari F430 Spider F1 - 1:23.2
#42 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-400 - 1:24.8
#56 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-320 - 1:26.0
#66 - Ferrari 575M Maranello GTC - 1:26.8
#82 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-300 - 1.28.2
#90 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-300 - 1:28.9
#131 - Honda Civic Type-R (FN2-2007) - 1:33.5
There was no 360 listed, but the 575M Maranello GTC has specs very similar to the 360... Granted it's a bit heavier, but the power to weight ratio is 12% better, and the torque to weight ratio is 32% better. With no skidpad data i can't comment on that, but the brakes on the GTC are the same carbon ceramic rotor / brembo system as found on the Enzo and the 360 Challange Stradale.
If you look at the cars that the evo is playing with on the wall, i would consider a lot of them exotic, and I find that quite amazing for a ~$30,000 car. But that's my opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track
And I am a firm believer that if you put both cars on a track, the evo is much easier and comfortable to drive fast. And it will come down to the driver to decide who is faster. I've passed cars i've had no right passing on the track, like a lambo gallardo superleggera, and it all came down to driver skill.
so all said and done, can we stop arguing about who thinks what car you can mod to beat another because there is no limit to that. If you don't think the evo is amazing... then I disagree. You have your opinion, and you don't like cars for the same reason I do, whatever, but get over it and stop arguing, and get some facts to back your claims.
GTB specs:
Engine
* Configuration: 65° V12 engine
* Displacement: 5.7 L (5748 cc/350 in³)
* Maximum power: 540 PS (533 hp/397 kW) at 7,250 rpm[citation needed]
* Maximum torque: 588.6 N·m (434 lb·ft) at 5,250 rpm[citation needed]
Performance
* Maximum speed: 327 km/h (203 mph)[citation needed]
* 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph): 4.2 seconds[citation needed]
* 0-400 m: 12.25 seconds[citation needed]
* 0-1,000 m: 21.9 seconds[citation needed]
All figures are for the semi-automatic gearbox.
Dimensions
* Overall length: 4550 mm (179.1 in)
* Overall width: 1935 mm (76.2 in)
* Height: 1277 mm (50.3 in)
* Wheelbase: 2500 mm (98.4 in)
* Front track: 1632 mm (64.3 in)
* Rear track: 1586 mm (62.4 in)
* Curb weight: 1730 kg (3814 lb)
* Fuel capacity: 105 L (27.7 US gal)
Lets look at Top Gears test track... Anyone have any problems taking "magazine numbers" out of it and using real track times with a professional driver?
#10 - Ferrari Enzo - 1:19.0
#15 - Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 1:19.7
#21 - Ferrari 599 - 1:21.2
#23 - Ferrari 360 Challange Stradale - 1:22.3
#27 - Ferrari F430 F1 - 1:22.9
#31 - Ferrari F430 Spider F1 - 1:23.2
#42 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-400 - 1:24.8
#56 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII MR FQ-320 - 1:26.0
#66 - Ferrari 575M Maranello GTC - 1:26.8
#82 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X FQ-300 - 1.28.2
#90 - Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-300 - 1:28.9
#131 - Honda Civic Type-R (FN2-2007) - 1:33.5
There was no 360 listed, but the 575M Maranello GTC has specs very similar to the 360... Granted it's a bit heavier, but the power to weight ratio is 12% better, and the torque to weight ratio is 32% better. With no skidpad data i can't comment on that, but the brakes on the GTC are the same carbon ceramic rotor / brembo system as found on the Enzo and the 360 Challange Stradale.
If you look at the cars that the evo is playing with on the wall, i would consider a lot of them exotic, and I find that quite amazing for a ~$30,000 car. But that's my opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_Test_Track
And I am a firm believer that if you put both cars on a track, the evo is much easier and comfortable to drive fast. And it will come down to the driver to decide who is faster. I've passed cars i've had no right passing on the track, like a lambo gallardo superleggera, and it all came down to driver skill.
so all said and done, can we stop arguing about who thinks what car you can mod to beat another because there is no limit to that. If you don't think the evo is amazing... then I disagree. You have your opinion, and you don't like cars for the same reason I do, whatever, but get over it and stop arguing, and get some facts to back your claims.
GTB specs:
Engine
* Configuration: 65° V12 engine
* Displacement: 5.7 L (5748 cc/350 in³)
* Maximum power: 540 PS (533 hp/397 kW) at 7,250 rpm[citation needed]
* Maximum torque: 588.6 N·m (434 lb·ft) at 5,250 rpm[citation needed]
Performance
* Maximum speed: 327 km/h (203 mph)[citation needed]
* 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph): 4.2 seconds[citation needed]
* 0-400 m: 12.25 seconds[citation needed]
* 0-1,000 m: 21.9 seconds[citation needed]
All figures are for the semi-automatic gearbox.
Dimensions
* Overall length: 4550 mm (179.1 in)
* Overall width: 1935 mm (76.2 in)
* Height: 1277 mm (50.3 in)
* Wheelbase: 2500 mm (98.4 in)
* Front track: 1632 mm (64.3 in)
* Rear track: 1586 mm (62.4 in)
* Curb weight: 1730 kg (3814 lb)
* Fuel capacity: 105 L (27.7 US gal)
Seeing as how I've been year a long time, I won't be leaving any time soon. You'll also that most of the moderating staff don't drive Mitsubishis, let alone Evos. I guess they're just trolls too along with your fellow Evo owners that are disagreeing with you.
1. You compared a car that originally came out in 1999 to a 2004 car. if you want to compare like to like, compare the 1999 Evo to the 360. That would be an actually fair comparison given that the Ferrari went more or less unchanged. There's a reason why it was replaced soon after 2004.
2. The fact remains that the Ferrari is faster in the 1/4, faster in the 0-60 race and will be faster at a track. You're also comparing the best Evo times to what I suspect are the average Ferrari times at best.
3. See above, the numbers are fine but the Ferrari is still faster.
4. How many Civic Type-Rs were made? So naturally that's a rare car right? And special?
5. The base 360 was Ferrari's base car yet you want to compare the top performer in Mitsubishi's stable to it (which is still slower). You're also ignoring the fact that the Ferrari has a **** load more money in the interior, the brakes, the transmission, etc. than the Evo. Of course it's going to cost more without a giant leap in performance. Hell, a 276000$ Aston Martin DBS takes 4.1 seconds to get to 60 so naturally the Evo is better right? A 455000$ McLaren takes 3.5 seconds which isn't that far off the Evo so I guess the Evo wins again.
In conclusion, take the fanboy goggles off, the Evo is a great car but it's no Ferrari.
2. The fact remains that the Ferrari is faster in the 1/4, faster in the 0-60 race and will be faster at a track. You're also comparing the best Evo times to what I suspect are the average Ferrari times at best.
3. See above, the numbers are fine but the Ferrari is still faster.
4. How many Civic Type-Rs were made? So naturally that's a rare car right? And special?
5. The base 360 was Ferrari's base car yet you want to compare the top performer in Mitsubishi's stable to it (which is still slower). You're also ignoring the fact that the Ferrari has a **** load more money in the interior, the brakes, the transmission, etc. than the Evo. Of course it's going to cost more without a giant leap in performance. Hell, a 276000$ Aston Martin DBS takes 4.1 seconds to get to 60 so naturally the Evo is better right? A 455000$ McLaren takes 3.5 seconds which isn't that far off the Evo so I guess the Evo wins again
.In conclusion, take the fanboy goggles off, the Evo is a great car but it's no Ferrari.
Man, you are like one of those sheep flies that just keeps buzzing around... you have completely lost the point of this whole debate and just want to think you're right, but you're not.. you're in your own little subaru world and upset that you have no life.. just take your prozac and calm yourself and dry your tears
If you think just because Evo is faster = better then you got some issues.
I've passed F430 at the track before. It was awsome and I was really excited. But I knew this car was just drop dead gorgeous while mine was 4 door econo rice rocket.
I've passed F430 at the track before. It was awsome and I was really excited. But I knew this car was just drop dead gorgeous while mine was 4 door econo rice rocket.
Bingo, there's also the interior that's absolutely gorgeous, the engine that sounds amazing and performs great (given that it's NA), the transmission, etc.