EVO -vs- Ferrari 360 -> mods/power to equal or beat
The college town that I live in there are Four (4) 360 Modena's running around town. Lets just say that everyone of them has been taken out on the street by an Evo. From "stock" to built 35r.
"stock" = intake, exhaust, mbc, flash
So...yes.
"stock" = intake, exhaust, mbc, flash
So...yes.
If you don't want to admit that an Evo is a special car in the auto world, I don't know why you are even on the site.
Sure a Ferrari is more well known... and is also a special car... forget it.. let's try this... based on performance we'll take the price... 2004 spyder 360. 180,000.00. 0-60 4.0-4.5 seconds (based on different articles) 1/4 12.2-12.8@112-117 mph, skidpad .95g's, slalom speed 67.2 mph.
To be fair we'll compare it to a same year Evo which did 0-60 in 4.3-4.6 seconds, again, depends on which site you are looking at. 1/4 times range from the RS 13.2-13.3 @ 99.7 (even one article that stated 13.1@105.1 mph) mph to the GSR which was a tenth or 2 higher. Skidpad .95g's slalom 70- 73.1 mph.
Top speed Ferrari is 182-186 mph
Evo 155-157 (limited)
So, after all of that IF you are strictly after performance, they both produce good numbers... is it worth the extra 150,000.00 or so grand for .5-1 second on the 1/4? No... then again the Ferrari is a status symbol as much as it is a car, but for performance vs. money.. the Evo beats the Ferrari every time IMO... want to do the same for the civic and see those numbers?
Sure a Ferrari is more well known... and is also a special car... forget it.. let's try this... based on performance we'll take the price... 2004 spyder 360. 180,000.00. 0-60 4.0-4.5 seconds (based on different articles) 1/4 12.2-12.8@112-117 mph, skidpad .95g's, slalom speed 67.2 mph.
To be fair we'll compare it to a same year Evo which did 0-60 in 4.3-4.6 seconds, again, depends on which site you are looking at. 1/4 times range from the RS 13.2-13.3 @ 99.7 (even one article that stated 13.1@105.1 mph) mph to the GSR which was a tenth or 2 higher. Skidpad .95g's slalom 70- 73.1 mph.
Top speed Ferrari is 182-186 mph
Evo 155-157 (limited)
So, after all of that IF you are strictly after performance, they both produce good numbers... is it worth the extra 150,000.00 or so grand for .5-1 second on the 1/4? No... then again the Ferrari is a status symbol as much as it is a car, but for performance vs. money.. the Evo beats the Ferrari every time IMO... want to do the same for the civic and see those numbers?
You're forgetting the superior interior of the Ferrari, the handling, the engine (performance isn't just about raw HP or 1/4 mile numbers), the brakes, the wheels, the tires, etc. Try to get an Evo to be everything Ferrari and you'll have a pretty hefty bill. Ferrari didn't build the 360 to be all about performance, it's still a nice daily driver.
And with the Civic's lower overhead cost, you're already well ahead of the Evo.
There's nothing mind blowing about an Evo either, they're not ridiculously expensive nor are they exclusive.
And of course there's the classic troll argument, naturally since I don't get a chub every time someone mentions the Evo I'm a troll.
There's nothing mind blowing about an Evo either, they're not ridiculously expensive nor are they exclusive.
And of course there's the classic troll argument, naturally since I don't get a chub every time someone mentions the Evo I'm a troll.
Nothing mind blowing about the Evo either? Compared to a civic? Are you kidding me?
Few stock cars have been able to match the handling ability of a stock evo. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say. You obviously haven't driven one in a fast paced environment. I feel sorry for you.
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You guys doubting the price per ability on a Civic or Integra are welcome to come here, I am sure either of the two guys I know would be happy to take you for a ride. Especially since the one STOPPED modding his Evo for a track car and bought a ITR to make his track car and hasn't looked back. Sure it isn't as fast as the modded Evos that are racing out there, but it definitely is as fast as the factory Evos for less cost. Plus, it costs less to run overall. So dollar for dollar, they are both faster than an Evo... Unless you buy a salvage title Evo for 10k and rebuild it yourself. I know both cars cost less than 20k total to build to their current status and to purchase.
You guys doubting the price per ability on a Civic or Integra are welcome to come here, I am sure either of the two guys I know would be happy to take you for a ride. Especially since the one STOPPED modding his Evo for a track car and bought a ITR to make his track car and hasn't looked back. Sure it isn't as fast as the modded Evos that are racing out there, but it definitely is as fast as the factory Evos for less cost. Plus, it costs less to run overall. So dollar for dollar, they are both faster than an Evo... Unless you buy a salvage title Evo for 10k and rebuild it yourself. I know both cars cost less than 20k total to build to their current status and to purchase.
And with the Civic's lower overhead cost, you're already well ahead of the Evo.
There's nothing mind blowing about an Evo either, they're not ridiculously expensive nor are they exclusive.
And of course there's the classic troll argument, naturally since I don't get a chub every time someone mentions the Evo I'm a troll.
There's nothing mind blowing about an Evo either, they're not ridiculously expensive nor are they exclusive.
And of course there's the classic troll argument, naturally since I don't get a chub every time someone mentions the Evo I'm a troll.
Now in the real world we know that it's not likely you would use that engine, so you upgrade, which costs several thousand more... so in all reality, you can't get a civic to match the performance of the Evo unless you speed just as much as a new Evo... or even more. Mine was 30,800.00 OTD if you want to compare by the way.
There's a guy here that has a mean Evo that back in the day had a full painted CF body Miata pushing tons of whp (I think over 400) and he raced plenty of people for cash... Needless to say it paid for the car and the mods and then some.
You wouldn't get the troll argument if 95% of your posts weren't arguments.
Nothing mind blowing about the Evo either? Compared to a civic? Are you kidding me?
Few stock cars have been able to match the handling ability of a stock evo. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say. You obviously haven't driven one in a fast paced environment. I feel sorry for you.
Nothing mind blowing about the Evo either? Compared to a civic? Are you kidding me?
Few stock cars have been able to match the handling ability of a stock evo. If you can't see that then I don't know what to say. You obviously haven't driven one in a fast paced environment. I feel sorry for you.
The Evo is a great performer, but given the context of this thread (ie. Evo vs Ferrari 360), it's not as special as people make it out to be.
So you buy race slicks... you still cost less than an Evo.
Brilliant, I know two Honda type cars that could go faster than you on a track for about 10,800 less.
Brilliant, I know two Honda type cars that could go faster than you on a track for about 10,800 less.
which civic are we talking about here? Maybe if we take a brand new civic ex which is how much, or shall we start with an Si? I have an idea, let's do an LX... ok, so an LX 18,115 from the dealer... honda doesn't like to move much on their prices either sooooo figure you might be able to get 700-1000 off the car... we'll even say the 1000.00 so 17,115 plus tax, tags, etc. By that time you are looking at around 18,3-18500. I doubt you will be using that standard 140 hp engine in there, but let's just assume you are... so now, you get yourself a nice turbo kit that can match the Evo's power output, so you're going to be needing a nice kit... 3500-5000.00 for a new kit? Don't know much about that... now, assuming you are leaving the engine internals alone.. you will be hoping not to blow the pistons through the hood... again for your benefit, we'll assume you don't. Now comes better wheels with wider stickier tires, that's gonna cost what? Another 1500.00 or more? You're getting pretty close to the Evo's new price now... now there is all the suspension upgrades you will need, then comes the brakes... how much is a brembo kit for a civic?
Now in the real world we know that it's not likely you would use that engine, so you upgrade, which costs several thousand more... so in all reality, you can't get a civic to match the performance of the Evo unless you speed just as much as a new Evo... or even more. Mine was 30,800.00 OTD if you want to compare by the way.
Now in the real world we know that it's not likely you would use that engine, so you upgrade, which costs several thousand more... so in all reality, you can't get a civic to match the performance of the Evo unless you speed just as much as a new Evo... or even more. Mine was 30,800.00 OTD if you want to compare by the way.
I like the Evo but I don't consider it special in the same respect that an Evo is special. Your confusing blind fanboy faith for an interest in all things automotive, the two are very different. I like my current car but I don't bleed world rally blue.
You're forgetting the superior interior of the Ferrari, the handling, the engine (performance isn't just about raw HP or 1/4 mile numbers), the brakes, the wheels, the tires, etc. Try to get an Evo to be everything Ferrari and you'll have a pretty hefty bill. Ferrari didn't build the 360 to be all about performance, it's still a nice daily driver.
You're forgetting the superior interior of the Ferrari, the handling, the engine (performance isn't just about raw HP or 1/4 mile numbers), the brakes, the wheels, the tires, etc. Try to get an Evo to be everything Ferrari and you'll have a pretty hefty bill. Ferrari didn't build the 360 to be all about performance, it's still a nice daily driver.