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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in Tucson
Back on topic...

OP, the weak sauce in your current set-up is the 91 octane gasoline.

If at all possible, the very best mod you could make would be the E85 mod. And if you wish to run much higher boost (say 28 psi) with the E85 then you will need a Walbro 255 fuel pump and 1,000cc injectors.

I attempted to make maximum power on 91 as well, but each bolt-on mod only adds a small amount of power. It is a slow and expensive way to mod your EVO. You will never be able to add as much power as you will want w/o a larger turbo or E85, or both.

Here is a thread of EVOs making big power on 91. All have upgraded turbos.

Highest WHP 2.0L EVOs on 91.

Good info here, thanks.

Not feeling the E85 though, trying to get that fuel on a regular basis here in San Francisco is too painful to make the power worthwhile.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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Not sure how that video was supposed to tell me which turbo was better.

Looked like a marketing video to me, which of course, I never trust.

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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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Not at all mr. d'z Ballz in yo mouth haha jk
How do you know I have my screen name tattooed on my lower lip?
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:29 AM
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Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:32 AM
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It really depends what you're power goals and reliability concerns are first?
Everbody gets bored time to time with power outputs because of the simple fact
that you become so used to it after awhile. Have you installed all the basic bolt ons
for the stock 16g turbo? If so, then maybe its time for a turbo upgrade now?
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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All this conjecture doesn't help me pick a turbo!

BBK Full
FP Green
HTA Green

So many choices. Help me understand each of these and why one is better then another.

This is one choice you are going to have to research yourself really...all you are really gonna get it this is better than this because it is yada yada yada. That is all your preference really. From what I understand they are rated like this:

1 & 2. HTA Green / BBK Full
3. FP Green

The 2 are pretty close from what I keep finding in my research..its just more of what everyone likes more. I personnally am going to go with the BBK Full but thats just because I really like the stock turbo feel just need more top end but dont want to loose my low end power.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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From what I hear, the bbk turbo spools pretty much at the same time as the stock turbo, if not maybe 100 or 200 rpms later. I have also heard that the bbk stays pulling hard through out the whole rpm band compared to the fp red. The fp red supposely has dead spots in parts of the rpm band.
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoolin' By U
It really depends what you're power goals and reliability concerns are first?
Everbody gets bored time to time with power outputs because of the simple fact
that you become so used to it after awhile. Have you installed all the basic bolt ons for the stock 16g turbo? If so, then maybe its time for a turbo upgrade now?
I don't really have a power goal per se, just want something a bit faster but not at the cost of huge amounts of cash, like... say... over $5k?

I have a drop in filter, TBE w/ test pipe and a tune.

The car puts down 291awhp/300tq @ 24psi. I want to keep it looking as stock as possible, so no chrome or anything that looks aftermarket. As soon as a police officer sees that - you're pretty much off to see the ref if you can't produce any CARB stickers or welded plates on your exhaust manifold.

I'm open to a turbo upgrade, injectors and a fuel pump since it sounds like those parts all go together.

Originally Posted by cheedo
The 2 are pretty close from what I keep finding in my research..its just more of what everyone likes more. I personnally am going to go with the BBK Full but thats just because I really like the stock turbo feel just need more top end but dont want to loose my low end power.
This makes sense to me.

Originally Posted by Brsox10288
From what I hear, the bbk turbo spools pretty much at the same time as the stock turbo, if not maybe 100 or 200 rpms later. I have also heard that the bbk stays pulling hard through out the whole rpm band compared to the fp red. The fp red supposely has dead spots in parts of the rpm band.
I like the way this sounds.

What makes the FP red better or worse than say... an FP Green?

Old Sep 24, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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fp red flows more than the green
the fp red has more lag with more power
the green produces less power with less lag
got it? good
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffjabonete
fp red flows more than the green
the fp red has more lag with more power
the green produces less power with less lag
got it? good
I do and thank you.



That helps quite a bit actually, since I like the stock spool-up I want to keep it.
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Originally Posted by Brsox10288
From what I hear, the bbk turbo spools pretty much at the same time as the stock turbo, if not maybe 100 or 200 rpms later. I have also heard that the bbk stays pulling hard through out the whole rpm band compared to the fp red. The fp red supposely has dead spots in parts of the rpm band.
Wrong and Fail again

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...mp-469whp.html
No dead spots in my dyno tune and pull I wish I had done the drop in pistons I would have been closer to 500. The best pull of that night was about 480 and they backed it down to be safe. I'm going to prep the car for a race gas tune and then I will get a meth kit in the winter and 500+ DD

The dead spots really come from cam choice. Turbo choices from best to worse currently

  1. FP Red
  2. FP 73MM HTA Green
  3. BBK Full
  4. FP Green
  5. FP White
But CBRD is currently working on a new turbo and so is FP so it should be fun to see ends up on top. Number 1-3 are all great turbo. FP Red's do have lag but not so much on evo 9's (Gotta love MIVEC). For the OP if he or she does the supporting mods the HTA Green and BBK Full seems like the way to go for you
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DBallz
The dead spots really come from cam choice. Turbo choices from best to worse currently
  1. FP Red
  2. FP 73MM HTA Green
  3. BBK Full
  4. FP Green
  5. FP White
But CBRD is currently working on a new turbo and so is FP so it should be fun to see ends up on top. Number 1-3 are all great turbo. FP Red's do have lag but not so much on evo 9's (Gotta love MIVEC).
Originally Posted by DBallz
For the OP if he or she does the supporting mods the HTA Green and BBK Full seems like the way to go for you
How are the dead spots on the stock cams?

What does HTA stand for?

How are these different? Compressor housings? Wheels? Both?

FP 73MM HTA Green
FP Green

Supporting mods are all the ones you listed?
Old Sep 24, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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ok man, choose your poison, i think its dumb to put on a new turbo on a completely stock car basically, heres some suggestions
boost controller (hallman or forge) $65
walbro 255lph fuel pump because you want more power so youll need it later $70
licp (buscher, ams, whatever)- $200?
fmic (remember this adds weight and probably wont help much at this power level)- $700
uicp (more for looks than anything)- $250

o2 housing/02 external dump (the housings are on ebay for $80 should give you about 10 hp, the dumps are proven to give about 20hp over a meagan 02 housing but theyre like $350-$450) pain to install
ported exhaust mani (about 10 hp or so, but i dont see it until getting a new turbo)-$200
cams (thisll give you power no matter what anyone says i got an extra 30whp from cams)-$500

theeen after you have this stuff done in some respect, go for a turbo, either fp red or fp green (id go green for better spool etc,) the new fp green is supposed to put up a loot of power- $1850, $850 if you can get a stock evo ix turbo.



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