No, why, did I say that? I'm pretty sure you're the one who said those turns were "reserved for gymkhana type courses".

What are you, 16? You can't tell anything about my driving skills based on my posts. Get off the keyboard, go do something.

Why are you so quick to argue, you really just love fighting on the internet and being a retard or something? Answer me this: Does the Evo have a good turning radius or not?

 

Just to chime in, the Evo does NOT have a good turning radius.

However, its turning radius has little to do with its ability to go around autocross cones if you know what you're doing.

 

my comment about the gymkhana courses was before I took a really good look at what you had described. in gymkhana, they use drifting and sliding more than in autocross. that said, do you want to know what kind of car won the national gymkhana championship? a damn EVO.

I am 31. It's you who seems to be the 16 year old because you don't understand what you're talking about, and instead of trying to learn from some of us who have been doing this for a while and are trying to help you correct your mistakes, you get all defensive and start trying to defend your bad driving and blaming it on the car instead.

which will make you faster at your next autocross? learning how to drive your car and realizing that the steering is just fine, and even an asset? or arguing with us, continuing to drive horribly and blaming the car when you're slower than everyone else? it's your choice, do what you want. all i know is, i WIN my events with turns like that. You lose yours and complain. We both drive the same car, so who's right, who's wrong?

you're welcome.



BAM...he beat me to it lol the EVO's turning radius is a byproduct of it's quick steering ratio, which is BETTER for taking corners.

you obviously don't know what you're talking about because you're still arguing. the bottom line is, the EVO's steering is great, and if it were any better, the turning radius might be EVEN WORSE. go look at any real race car and see how horrible the turning radius is. look at the Mclaren F1. it's steering is even tighter than the EVO's. are you going to argue that the Mclaren F1 isn't good for taking corners either?

Just come off of it. There's nothing wrong with the car. You just need to step your driving up, bottom line.

 

Obviously it's 90% about the driver and 10% about the car, my point is, you are being a total keyboard tough guy, throwing all kinds of insults my way and putting words into my mouth that are in no way warranted. I'm not "slower than everyone else," nor am I a "horrible driver." You aren't posting to give me advice, you are posting to be an *******.

The lack of steering angle is not a bi-product of quick steering, it's a bi-product of packaging the tires inside the fenders and not rubbing at full lock and having a transverse mounted engine. Get real dude.

 

ODUB,
what championships have you won in Autocross?

 

Not really trying to get into this, but this can be debated. Especially when the EVO is a very front end heavy car with a weight distribution that is far from neutral, both negatives in handling, especially in auto X.

 

An Evo has a terrible turning radius but this is the first I have ever heard of it impacting it at the track. Being in WA and knowing more than a few autoX people and been to a few courses myself I have seen those so called "pivot cones" more than a few times. If you are going through it correctly you wont be at full lock. Come in wide and brake real late. Even if you are in 1st gear you should be able to swing the back end around through one. Only car I have seen go through one of those gates faster is modded S2k's or Miata's. Done right an evo can scream through those type of gates.

 

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They make them for integras and civics. You may want to contact Quaife. But the one civic EG I have seen at Buttonwillow with the quick steering ratio kit really seemed to help, but obviously an evo ratio is much better than a civic so like others have said not really sure if it's worth it.

 

Maybe ODUB was being a little harsh, but everything he was saying was pretty spot-on. The fact that you have some difficulty comprehending the explanations from several of us how to pilot the Evo through such an autocross corner despite its less-than-ideal (for daily driving, that is) turning radius hints at you lacking the understanding of such techniques.

What you need to realize is that turning the steering wheel isn't the only way to make the car turn and rotate. Go in an empty parking lot and drive at 20 mph, then slowly turn the wheel 90 degrees counter-clockwise... you turn, nothing special. Do the same thing except jerk the wheel rather than turning it slowly... the car nearly whips around. So now you'll figure out the effect of how quickly you turn the steering wheel while maintaining speed. Do the same thing but give the car more throttle, and you'll notice the car turn sharper. Back when the car was released, a magazine (either Automobile or Car and Driver, I can't remember) called it the most throttle-steerable car they had ever driven, which I don't doubt. The car responds well to the throttle when cornering, as staying on the gas (or giving it more) helps the car sharpen its line. Then add other factors like braking, weight transfer, etc. then you'll figure out how to navigate the Evo through an autocross the way you expected it to maneuver.

 

Honestly, like DeeezNuts and ODUB are saying it's all about feeling what the car is doing and controlling it. Hitting full lock (which I have never done on a circuit or auto-x) is not the only way and certainly not the best way to negotiate that type of corner. That's all he's trying to tell you man. ODUB may have seemed a little harsh but he's absolutely correct. Anyone that knows the Evo and is fairly competent when pushing it hard is well aware of the fact that full-lock and 180 degree hairpin should never even be put in the same sentence. You seem to know about the Evo's wack low speed turning radius when parking- essentially you answered your own question if you think about it.

 

+1 on that, hahaha!

 

I think he is not worried about lock to lock rotation like you guys seem to be focused on. I think he just wants to make it quicker ratio steering. For example if you are transitioning the steering wheel 90 degrees to go through a set of cones, if you made it quick ratio perhaps you could lessen the amount of degrees you'd have to turn the steering wheel to 70. Then you'd have less effort from your arms and less time spent fumbling with the wheel.

Of course on a car also driven on the street, this could make the car twitchy on the freeway. I'm just trying to figure out what he is asking for. I think he just phrased it wrong in the title.

 

^ No, he is (though somewhat indirectly), as lock-to-lock rotation also plays a role in turning radius.

 

to clarify, there's nothing wrong with the steering for track use. that's what I was talking about.

 

+1

again, +1 to the entire post

+1 yet again.