my only concern about the Injen or AEM CAI is that living in a state like Minnesota, where it is wet or snowy most of the year, the chances of sucking water into the engine are greater. AEM has not developed a bypass valve for the lancer CAI. That is the reason why I am considering installing the RMR intake instead.

 

Definitely a genuine concern...

But, let me say that the only cases of that happening are in the extreme. Major flooding, and in one case, a humvee up to the engine bay in mud.

Now, if you want the short ram to be effective, a ram duct is needed, in which case, you'd just be channelling the water into the filter ANYWAYS.

I think it's just a matter of if you want to play it safe, stay away from intakes altogether.

 

Well let's see............ I live about five min. away from whiteland race way(THE go-cart speed way were I have been know to race) the othere half of my family Drag races from modified to pro modified at IRP.
I don't know why Injen would have made a fake dyno,but the facts are I have a dyno from Injen.We only have two things in Indy, racing and racing. That doesn't make me an expert,but my qals are legit. As for the CIA thing that's my pro typeing skills at hand.


So hear is some useful Info.You can buy a filter sock at your local Kawasoki or Yama dealer that will fit around most type's of K+N filters I have found one for my Injen intake it was about $20 bucks. They use them on 4wheelers and Go-carts to keep the water out with no lose of air flow.Made by K+N.



Not trying to start beef just speaking my mind........................

 

No beef on my side, but, if you come out swinging with info that isn't valid, then, expect someone to call you on it. Speak your mind, that's what the forums are for, but, come on.

I'm not saying that Injen is "Faking" dyno reports, but, if there is indeed a dyno report at the wheels for the 2002 Lancer with the 4G94 engine, then, this is the first I'm hearing of it. Only info I've heard has either been from a 4 banger Eclipse engine, or even in one case, someone was saying that it would be similar on the gains of an RSX. Two very different engines from our own, so, it stands to reason that the dynos used aren't nearly exact enough.

Sorry about the Indy thing, but, you can't use your location as a qualifier for back up of your knowledge. Experience is well and good, but, this is a brand new set up that we're still all learning about here.

Again, about water ingestion, the sock could work, but, that would also restrict air intake, made by K&N or otherwise. More material to pass through equals more restriction. A bypass valve like the kind made by AEM would be the preferred method, but, since one doesn't exist yet... As I've said before, the only cases are in the VERY, VERY extreme. You get in the type of situation in which you will be getting water ingestion, you will have to deal with all sorts of other problems as well.

 

Well, I'm not going to Turbo charge the sucker. As I said that all I want to do is naturally increase the horses without adding a Turbo or a Super Charger.


Basically what I got out of everyone's post is, if I get a low end intake I'm only seeing a 2-3 horse power difference. However, with a mid to higher range intake I'm see about a 5 horse power difference. This isn't very much considering the price I would spend on intake (about 200). That would only make my horsepower 125 hp (since the stock lancer has 120hp). My accel. speed, in my opinion, will be almost unnoticable.


Are my theories correct or am I wrong on this?


Lastly, what are your opinions on the RIMS that I got for my car. You guys think that was a good buy or what?

 

Wrong. You'd techincally be putting out more power than that at the flywheel however, the numbers I posted were all wheel HP, which factor in drivetrain power losses.

 

I noticed that you (streetlancer) reside in Texas. I wonder if you have driven in a foot or two of snow, in the middle of a blizzard prior to the plows coming out. Believe me, when I say that snow will quickly creep up into you car. It might be extreme, but it is preety common in Minnesota. Like I said, CAI probably will fare better in warm climates such as California and Texas.

 

That is why I got the filter sock, it could snow enough to pack snow in my front air dame and I think it could get real ugly from there.They claim that the sock doesn't reduse air flow but maybe it does a little not enough to hender performance. It is made from a cloth that is see threw and feels like fine silk(not really sure what it is made from?) but it is made by k+N. I still like the CAI intake and would still recomend it to anyone for any kind of car that they want to mod. You also have to think about when you get a cat back or larger TB the intake will add to the performance you get out of them. K+N even makes a CAI for my Traxxas Remote control gas powered car. What will they think of next?

 

Well, no, I've not driven in feet of snow, but, like I said previous... if you're gonna be in an extreme situation, than maybe nothing is better than anything. I mean, if you're gonna be worrying about snow getting into that section of the engine bay... then I think you're gonna have more to worry about eventually anyways.

 

snow gets into every litlle section of your car. The snow is not extreme for us it's just winter. I really haven't got anything into the air dame,but snow gets everywere it can freeze your damn doors shut. I hate winter! You can't wash and wax your car outside anymore........

 

I got short ram intake and added a hood scoop, bet my air is colder than the injen or aei intake's air. Do some research, from all I've seen it appears that the intake/exhaust/headers don't do much because the stock setup doesn't have much room for improvement. I'm thinking nitrous is a good move now, but as I've heard on other forums. "bottles are for babies." bet those fxcks don't have sohc's either.

 

like ozzy said, it is not extreme weather. It is just normal weather for us up north. Anyway I decided to go with the RMR and just installed it yesterday. So far, no complaints. it has a nice purrrrrrrrrrrrr, baby....

 

I think what works best for this car has yet to be determined by the actual dyno tests on this car that should, eventually, be done. I personally chose the CAI because it was a better looking set up (IMO), and I think that it should, within reason, be pulling down better numbers, and finally, because to get better air running in, you would have to put a hole in the hood. I mean, really, I don't think that was a great "upgrade" option with the ram air.

OZzy... don't want you to think I'm picking on you, but, I don't understand how a silk, see-through type of material is going to "go that extra mile" as far as keeping water or snow out of your engine. I mean, I could be wrong, but, if it makes you feel safer...

 

The sock is made for offroad use on a 4wheeler . They race them through the woods and river's in the winter and they have snow mobile races and they come with sock stock. I have seen a K+N filter in the intake box on a ATV with water and mud in the box and it didn't suck any of it in. It's not made of silk just looks like it .It kind of has an oily feel to it.Really, check it out before you dis it.They say it is the best way to keep water out of your intake and you can talk to K+N on that one.

 

Okay, having checked it out, I still say.... drum roll please... I don't see how it goes that extra mile. I can see it helping to keep dirt and large particles of crap out of your intake, but... water... I still don't see how it's going to go that extra mile. I still say your paying for the illusion of saftey. And, OZzy? I would recommend you stop believing everything the manufacturer would have you to believe. You think they're gonna come out and tell you that it's not everything they say it is? Come on. I could cut the Naiveity with a knife as far as that "K+N says it's the best" thing.