front limited slip diff too

 

I can't believe this thread is still alive.

 

And you do not seem to understand and comprehend that your giving a bad name to the nameplates that you are testing.

May I suggest that you change your testing procedure to fit closely to what the overwhelming hotlappers out there do. Hotlappers tend to do a WHOLE DAY of driving. They start out slow and then by the end of the day they become fast. You owe it to these nameplates to at least do more than FIVE laps in each car to determine their capabilites. Maybe you can do a practice session for each car and THEN do *****-out session for each car on the second session. Two 15 minute sessions for each car is not too much to ask.

It is really bad for a nameplate like Porsche not to be able to pull a a sub 1:40 lap time a big willow. Something is seriously wrong with your testing when a stock 2003 EVO driven by an amateur can put 1:31.769 on street tires and you can only muster 1:34.xx in an 05 EVO MR.

I am not a legend nor do I pretend to be. I just know bad track times when I see them. These track times that you are pulling in these fantastic machines are not good.

 

Thanks for doing this. It is great to see a magazine respond to the needs of the enthusiast. Even though I may disagree with your lap times and testing procedure, I really appreciate the effort. I can't wait to see the results.

 

Why not? It is a great debate. I have learned that the EVO cut-off is at 7600 rpm and I tickled pink by it. Debating is the best way to learn.

 

yeah you're right, but i guess this thread need to be move out from Future Evo Models since MR are out now.

 

You are still an a$$clown in my book and I still don't believe you own OR drive an EVO for that matter. As far as your assessment that I am "p!ssed" about owning an EVO and not an RS or MR is completely misled. I bought my EVO VIII on June, 2nd, 2004. And if you actually knew anything about the car you "drive and own" you would know that the RS was not available yet and the MR EDITION was not even developed for US consumers. So again, you are still a troll with a non-existant car in my opinion. But keep posting at your 3rd grade level, I am sure many of the other 'newbies' such as myself find you VERY AMUSING!!

 

OMG, nj1266 you are so stupid, this is beyond belief. In the post, it is explicitly written all EVO's have the same power band.

This does not say as you imply that the MR engine has more power than a RS engine. The engines are the same. Identical. The power put down to the ground however is a function of RPM, and the MR gearing capitalizes the EVO powerband better.

YOU ARE THE STUPIDEST PH.D EVER!

You are not correlating RPM to power production. The peak hp as indicated by the dynochart is 250 whp. You MORON! Do you know how to read a dyno chart? I am refering to the same chart in all those examples. You are supposed to plot the RPM vs. HP. Hence why I printed the RPM in BOLD. IDIOT!

My dyno chart is on a MUSTANG DYNO, the 250 WHP DYNO above is on a DYNOJET. It is known fact that they read different just like a DynoDynamics. YOU IGNORAMUS MORON!

I am really done talking with you. You are a waste of time. It is obvious you know jack about the technical aspects of how engine performance works together. I cannot dumb the conversation down any further to explain it to you.

Thanks for showing the EVOM community how stupid you are. I can call you stupid and that may be immature of me, but your responses are what proves that assessment valid.

 

I bet you half the guys on this forum would eat you alive on the track in any 03 04 05 or any type of mildly modded evo.

You sound like a 13 year old who saw 2 fast 2 furious and now you turned 16. I wouldnt be suprised if you paid a 1000 dollars to have your dick stroked let alone your ego...

 

Thanks for the insults. Once again you have shown your level of immaturity. Here are the flaws in your argument:

1. Both the EVO MR and the 05RS are putting down the same hp. This is clear from the testing done by dynoflash. In the MR you need to shift from 4th to 5th after you hit the 113 mph mark. When you do that you will fall to around 6000 rpm and you will be below the optimal rpm where most of the hp is produced. In the RS you can hold 4th gear to 122 mph. SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR A SHIFT INTO 5TH on a track like WSIR.

2. You keep talking about the 3rd to 4th upshift. WHY? We are talking about 4th to 5th gear shift and not the 3rd to 4th up shift. GET IT. Why do you insist on changing the issue here. The issue was not whether the RS will fall off its power band in the 3rd to 4th upshift the issue was the the 4th to 5th shift.

3. By your own admission the MR "From the 4th to 5th upshift, the RPM drops to 5997 RPM." Fine. Now please understand this. When you shift the MR falls to 5997 rpm. The RS stays in that 4th gear. IT DOES NOT NEED TO SHIFT. So while the MR is climbing back to the ideal 6500 rpm, the RS is ALREADY there and producing the max hp it can produce. In the RS there is NO NEED for that extra shift from 4th to 5th. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

4. The dyno chart that you posted was for an EVO MR and not the power band for 05 EVOs. You need to be more specific. You did not post a link and I had to go find the link. Next time please post a link to where you got the chart from. Although there is no difference in the power band you should be clear on where you got your chart from.

5. And I think you will respond to this post. You have said three times that you are done with this thread, but you come again and respond. This is what kids do, they say one thing and then do another.

6. I do know that different dynos produce different results. But I was pointing out to YOU that here in CA the consensus hp is around 225 hp using a dyno dynamics dyno. Did you not see that the links point to dyno dynamics dyno charts? And since the discussion is about track driving in CA it would be better to use a CA dyno.

 

This is completely untrue, as it is apparent to me that you have never driven a lap in an EVO at WSIR. Using the laps which I won the OTC (running 220 treadwear street tires) as an example, I shift from 4th to 5th at the bottom of the hill between turns 6 and 7. Video is located here, cause it seems nobody here can just take a different opinion other than their own. Since SER drivers like to brag about lap times here on the EVO forum, I will indulge them by stating that the first lap is a 1:32.9, followed by a pair of 1:33.6s. This is in an 03 EVO with simple bolt ons, stock turbo @ 21psi, and suspension by me, built during an EVO house call I made to Seattle for a pair of customers.

http://www.dsmporn.com/movies/road_r...lowSprings.mpg

 

When I posted the lap times, it was in response to EFI who posted the lap times from the Nissan honda challenge. I did not brag at all. I was just stating the facts about the lap times. He wanted to give the impression that I did not know how to drive and that I was at the challenge. I was not and the lap times were a way to show himn that I know how to drive.

You shift that early!!!! Why? Are you hitting 122 mph that early? Are you short shifting? From the video it is not clear whether you were maxing out the rpms. So I could not tell whether you were short shifting. You shift into 4th before you crest turn 6. It seems to be too early. It seems that you are short shifting, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, good job on the lap times. Glad to know what the EVO is capable of. Was this a stock engined EVO?

BTW, I did notice that the suspension setting was too stiff. I do not know if that was the a camera effect, but the car seemed to get unsettled too much by the bumps in Omega and on the back straigths.

Very nice video.

 

Shifting early? No, there is a rev limiter on an EVO. 122 that early? Yes of course.
This EVO had an unmodified stock engine other than intake and exhaust.

As far as you critiquing my set-up, thanks for your comments, but I suggest you get in an EVO at WSIR, run comparable lap times, then you might have something to type about.

As far as the car sliding around, this video was made during the event at the 2004 OTC, where the Touring category rules state you must run street tires, with a treadwear minimum of 140. An EVO will slip and slide around just a little bit due to the lack of grip the street type tires have. All of those laps are WOT in 5th thru Turn 8, which is quite the adventure on street tires.

 

What i'm confused about is. Why was there a "big petition" about bringing the Evo MR to ths US if every one seems like they don't like it. Yeah, there's a 5K upcharge from the normal Evo, yet people are *****ing about how expensive it is. Oh well. Why was there such a big commotion about bringing it to the US if no one likes it due to its price. AAHH! Anyways, people arent liking the MR because they aren't selling from what i see! So....now what? How about we have a petition for bringing the FQ-340 to the US....now that'd be awesome.

 

It just seemd to me that you were shifting into 4th gear before you crest the top of turn 6. That seemd to be too early.

What speeds were you hitting on the back straight in 4th gear? Did you ever hit the rev limiter before you shifted into 5th gear?

These are the only two questions that are important to me.
It was just an observation, prefaced by it "could be the camera" and "seemed to be." Please do not get defensive about this. I have already stated numerous times that you build great cars for the street and for the track.
Again, great job on those lap times, but my main concern is the speed you were hitting on the back straights in 4th gear and whther you hit the rev limiter in 4th gear. That is what I want to know.

One more thing, what happened to your team for the rest of OTC. You took 2nd in Vegas and 1st at WSIR, then there is no mention on the OTC result section. What happened?