*news flash* the MR may have a 7000 redline, but that is not where the fuel cut is.

now i know why racecar engineers get so frustrated w/ drivers.

 

It Doesn't!!!!!

 

Gearbox:-
Tyre:-
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Top Gear gives 23.711 MPH/1000 RPM and a top speed of 180.203 MPH at 7600 RPM

Engine speeds in top gear:-
30 MPH = 1265 RPM 40 MPH = 1687 RPM 50 MPH = 2109 RPM 60 MPH = 2530 RPM
70 MPH = 2952 RPM 80 MPH = 3374 RPM 90 MPH = 3796 RPM 100 MPH = 4217 RPM

Top Speed in 1 gear = 42.929 MPH
And changes into 2 gear at 5079 RPM dropping 2521 RPM
Top Speed in 2 gear = 64.239 MPH
And changes into 3 gear at 5606 RPM dropping 1994 RPM
Top Speed in 3 gear = 87.086 MPH
And changes into 4 gear at 5830 RPM dropping 1770 RPM
Top Speed in 4 gear = 113.528 MPH
And changes into 5 gear at 5997 RPM dropping 1603 RPM
Top Speed in 5 gear = 143.872 MPH
And changes into 6 gear at 6068 RPM dropping 1532 RPM
Top Speed in 6 gear = 180.203 MPH
************************************************** ****************************************

CASE CLOSED!

Also, on your Motor Trend example... The Vette has a much different powerband than an EVO. That's how it gets away with those gear ratios. The EVO is a heavy car powered by a 4 cylinder engine with a turbocharger where a tighter tranny (within reason) is beneficial. One of the biggest performance downfalls of a tightly spaced tranny is decreased top speed, but this is negated in the MR with the extra 6th gear.

 

He wasn't bragging about his MR's accomplishments, he was bragging about how well a stock MR did. You are reading what you want and not what he posted.

Sorry but I disagree. At Streets, the track in question, you do not have to shift into fifth and if you know anything about Evo's then you would know that the first four gears are almost identical between the MR, RS, and VIII. So at Streets none of what you are saying about shifting matters. The shootout did not take place on another track, it took place at Streets, so any discussions about other tracks are invalid at this point, because they were not the tracks used this time. We only have numbers from this time!

Maybe so, but you'll never recoop the money you've invested in your wonderful Sentra, while an MR owner still has a vehicle valued at close to what he or she paid. Jeez, anybody can build anything to be fast and for cheap. I could build a Fiesta that would beat up on your Sentra and for less money, but then I'd have an expensive money hole and not a car that is enjoyable to drive on the street or that will maintain some measure of value. I'm not knocking on your Sentra either, but your arguement is pointless. We like Evo's, you like Sentra's, and the bottom line is who cares.

Dude, you seriously need to get over yourself.

 

GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!That's what I say.

 

Is the cut off at 7600 rpm. From my calculations that is the number that you are using. If this is the case, then why do tuners like Vinshu raise the redline to 7500 rpm? Unless this is only specific to the 05 MR!!!

Does this higher cut-off also apply to the 05 GSR/RS? I find it hard to believe that Mitsu gave the MR this higher cut-off but did not do the same to the 05 GSR/RS!!!

I also find it hard to believe that no one else in these forums has reported a cut-off of 7600 rpm for the EVO MR.

I am going to make the assumption that this higher cut-off also applies to the 05 GSR/RS. In this case the 05 GSR/RS will have a higher speed in 4th gear making it even better on fast tracks like Big Willow and Cal speedway than the MR. By the numbers the 05 RS will do:

05 RS/GSR-------------05 MR
1st=43.2 mph---------42.9 mph
2nd=64.8 mph--------64.2 mph
3rd=89.9 mph---------87.0 mph
4th=122.6 mph--------113.5 mph

These numbers for the RS/GSR are still better than the number for the MR. I would love it if I do not have to shift into fifth at WSIR (Big Willow) in the 05 RS especially on the back straights at the end of eight and going into turn nine. That 5th to 4th shift really kills your speed. Turn nine is essential for good lap times at WSIR. As you know, the turn before the longest straights is the most important turn for fast lap times. Turn nine at WSIR is key to getting a quick lap on that track.

I hope you are right and the cut-off is indeed at 7600 rpm, but I really have my doubts.

 

That is what I thought. Me thinks that EFIxMR is making things up

 

That maybe the case, but he still does not have the right to tell people that they do not know how to drive when they point to him the obvious: Extra shifts on the track will slow your lap times. Oddly enough, that is the same thing you guys found out in the latest test at WSIR between the 911 and the C6 Vette. That was my main point all along and that is why the 05 RS is a better track car than the MR on ANY track.
Disagree all you want. I still have not seen any MR owner tell us what max speed they hit on the front straight of Streets. Unless the MR have a cutoff point of 7600 rpm, then the max speed in 4th is around 105 mph. That is the consensus on these boards. If you cannot hit 105 mph in the MR on the fornt straights of Streets, then something is wrong. Since you guys have tested the MR with electronic equipment, then plese tell us what is the max speed in 4th gear in the MR. That will solve the problem right there.
You are talking about value for a I do not know whether to laugh or to cry. EFI wanted to show what a great track car the MR was. If it is a TRACK car that he wants, then I can build him a track car that can kick the MR's *** for a fraction of the cost. The Sentra is NOT a money hole. It has a damned BULLET proof engine. With nearly 2800 track miles this season, I have only spent $250 on items that have broken on the car. The rest of the cost is part of the wear and tear of racing like tires, brake pads.

I LOVE the EVO, but I do not think the MR is worth the 7K extra over the RS. Hell I am getting an 05 RS next year. Read the title "is the EVO MR worth it." It is NOT for someone who wants to track their car. And let me repeat that EFI was bragging about the MR TRACK times and NOT its creature comfort.
This is coming from a guy who thinks that MT testing is the best thing since sliced bread. You guys did it again. You could not even pull sub 1:39 track times in either the C6 Vette or the 911. The record continues to pile up. First it was the Gallardo and the V8 Focus, then it was the MR and the STI and now it is the C6 Vette and 911. What next!!! A 1:39 second lap time in an Enzo

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I've NEVER, EVER bragged about my driving skills. Also correct me again if I am wrong, but we test stock, production vehicles on street tires with street tire pressures to give our readers a taste of what a stock version of the vehicle can do. Now seriously am I supposed to be offended because you got a non-stock, slick tired Sentra to run quicker laps at Streets. Seriously get over yourself and your driving skills. I'd put our two test drivers against you any time. Let's see how quickly you can adjust to driving something other then your Sentra. In case you didn't know, we have to be quick in every vehicle we drive and not just one particular make and model. Some days you jump from Kia's to Ferrari's and back into Honda's and you have to be quick in all of them and without any practice.

 

Every one of those vehicle you mentioned above got five full laps at Streets - total. One warm up, three hot laps and one cool down lap, that's it! No practice, no hour session to learn the vehicle and it's handling characteristics, five laps. I'd like to see you do that in five laps. The rest of the day is spent doing photography or video for TV.

How many laps in your Sentra have you done at Streets? I'm guessing it's a little more than five...

 

thanks for making this so easy.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=rev+limiter

Foordoor wrote,

MalibuJack (EVOM GURU TITLE) wrote,

EVO8power wrote,

webguy330i wrote,

NYEVO8 wrote,

EVO11V wrote,

You are also making a huge technical assumption about gearing. Maybe I was being too technical for you in my previous post, but basically every car is different. Your huge generalization that more shifting means slower needs to be applied on a case by case basis.

I can show you datalogs @ 200 times per sec of how fast a driver can shift, I assure you that they are fractions of a second. Although that will initially slow you down, this is not a lose / lose situation. What you gain is torque multiplication, which equals more acceleration.

If your generalization was correct then all cars, regardless of their intended purpose would have a 1 speed tranny. But at the same time having a 100 speed tranny is equally illogical.

That's why gearing must be reviewed under a case by case basis. And it is obvious that the Mitsubishi engineers sat down and created a gearing spread for increased performance.

You keep referencing the STi 6 speed, but guess what the STi is not an EVO MR. However obvious that is, you don't seem to understand.

The problem here is you know jack sh*t about EVO's and are you trying to argue with me. You've never even driven an MR, you never driven an 05' RS, you didn't even know that the fuel cut isn't at 7000 rpm. And you toss out these assumptions like they are fact. Maybe you should spent less time at the racetrack, and go back to school to get an education, so you won't look like an *** when you open your mouth.

 

Thanks for the info about the rev limiter. That really makes my day. It makes the 05 RS even a better bargain over the 05MR. Now that I nkow that I can get 122 mph in 4th gear, it is less likely that I will have to shift into 5th gear on the back straights of WSIR.
You are right I did not know about the fuel cut-off, but that does not mean I do not know "jack sh*t" about the EVO. I know a few things about the car.
I have more education than you. I was done with college back in 1994 and got my PhD from USC and now I am a professor at a college in SoCal. So do not go around making assumptions about my education because you are wrong. Just like you were wrong when you accused me of not knowing how to drive and you were wrong about shifting not slowing you down.

All things being equal, an extra upshift and down shift will slow you down. In the SE-R Cup series that I race in ALL the driver except me shift into 5th gear and back inot 4th gear on the fornt and back straights of WSIR. I do not do that and I consistently get the better track times. All the cars have 16:1 weight to power ratio, run similar suspension set-ups and all drivers are equally capable. Go read any racinbg book and you will find that what I am saying is correct. It is NOT only the time needed to shift that slows you down. It is the distraction of adding shifting to the braking and steering that slows you down.

Have you ever driven the back straights of WSIR going at 120 mph into turn 8 and having to shift from 5th to 4th and brake to set-up for turn 9? I HAVE in a Works mini-cooper S and it was distracting. I have even tried driving in 5th in my car and then downshifting to 4th on the back straights vs. staying in 4th all the way. My lap times were faster when I did not do the extra shift vs. when I did just that.

And unlike you, I admit that I was wrong and I did not use PROFANITY when debating you on the net. I guess they accept a lot of vulgar people at UCB these days

 

Let us assume that race tires can net you 3 seconds per lap at WSIR, then the lap times for the for the 911 would be 1:37. These are not good times for a 911 on R-compound tires. And let us assume that the EVO MR on R-compound tires will reduce the times by 4 seconds, then your ace driver got worse times than Frank Lin in EFI's MR. I have jumped into a car before and did quite well thank you very much. I jumped into a Works Cooper S and recorded 130 mph on the back straights of WSIR. I felt very much at home in the car. I jumped into an STI and drove it at 10/10s. I jumped into an EVO RS and drove it better than the owner did.

Your not supposed to get offended, but you are supposed to drive these cars you are testing to their full potential. These times that you are pulling do not suggest that. Sorry.

 

Well maybe you guys should change your testing procedures. These cars are not being represented well. Give your driver more time behind the wheel so he can do a better job than he is currently doing. Everytime I read one of your articles I am aghast at the times that you are pulling. This is clearly bad for the nameplates that you are testing.

 

Thanks for making my day. It brings a smile to my face to know I've schooled a doctorate.