Intakes, Inductions Boxes, Maf Pipes... OH MY!!
Originally Posted by marksae
Oh okay.. I think I remember you mentioning that to me before. Which intake pipes did you see this behavior with? I would think the constant diameter intake pipes would slow the intake air velocity down a lot more compared to a tapering pipe that's shaped similar to the stock intake snorkel.
Hmmm.. since I don't have a UTEC, I'm gonna get an OBDII logger and log MAF readings before and after my intake pipe install. I just want to see if there are any alarming differences. If there is, I'll probably just put the stocker back on.
Hmmm.. since I don't have a UTEC, I'm gonna get an OBDII logger and log MAF readings before and after my intake pipe install. I just want to see if there are any alarming differences. If there is, I'll probably just put the stocker back on.
Yeah you'll see the airflow measured differently, not as a MAF frequency but as an air mass calculation.. but it'll be a dead giveway for you..
The only intakes that do not have any anomolous problems are the ones that do not alter the diameter of the intake, all aftermarket intakes, whether their straight pipe, or tapered, all alter the air velocity from stock. by about 6-10% or more.. the advantage of the HKS is its less prone to stalling with a Recirc BOV because of the taper (it decelerates reversed airflow because it tapers larger) However its also prone to lean conditions.
You guys have to understand that 100% of the gains in an aftermarket intake and MAF pipe are caused by a lean condition (lowered maf reading across the board), since the intake of the turbo is STILL just under 2.5" and the stock tube is 2.5" and the stock MAF is 3" the restriction you will experience before anything is the inlet on the turbo.. The stock airbox, and other components will flow as much air as the stock turbo could EVER demand.. Its designed that way.. Most power gains using the stock turbo are improved efficiency or higher velocity airflow, not necessarily more volume.
i have notice that with the UICP from BR w/ 1g BOV and his intake MAF pipe (new MAF pipe by BR) and filter the car runs a bit lean (nothing to drastic) since it sees at WOT near 11.5-11.8. Before it was at 11.2-11.5 , this is on 91 octane, changes are not dramatic as i read in the pass threads with upgraded intakes. The car will be tune again with upgrade injectors and pump.
Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Yeah you'll see the airflow measured differently, not as a MAF frequency but as an air mass calculation.. but it'll be a dead giveway for you..
The only intakes that do not have any anomolous problems are the ones that do not alter the diameter of the intake, all aftermarket intakes, whether their straight pipe, or tapered, all alter the air velocity from stock. by about 6-10% or more.. the advantage of the HKS is its less prone to stalling with a Recirc BOV because of the taper (it decelerates reversed airflow because it tapers larger) However its also prone to lean conditions.
You guys have to understand that 100% of the gains in an aftermarket intake and MAF pipe are caused by a lean condition (lowered maf reading across the board), since the intake of the turbo is STILL just under 2.5" and the stock tube is 2.5" and the stock MAF is 3" the restriction you will experience before anything is the inlet on the turbo.. The stock airbox, and other components will flow as much air as the stock turbo could EVER demand.. Its designed that way.. Most power gains using the stock turbo are improved efficiency or higher velocity airflow, not necessarily more volume.
The only intakes that do not have any anomolous problems are the ones that do not alter the diameter of the intake, all aftermarket intakes, whether their straight pipe, or tapered, all alter the air velocity from stock. by about 6-10% or more.. the advantage of the HKS is its less prone to stalling with a Recirc BOV because of the taper (it decelerates reversed airflow because it tapers larger) However its also prone to lean conditions.
You guys have to understand that 100% of the gains in an aftermarket intake and MAF pipe are caused by a lean condition (lowered maf reading across the board), since the intake of the turbo is STILL just under 2.5" and the stock tube is 2.5" and the stock MAF is 3" the restriction you will experience before anything is the inlet on the turbo.. The stock airbox, and other components will flow as much air as the stock turbo could EVER demand.. Its designed that way.. Most power gains using the stock turbo are improved efficiency or higher velocity airflow, not necessarily more volume.
Originally Posted by ArchieBabes
When is the UTEC gonna have the non MAF for our cars like the AEM one with the MAP conversion.
I think this should fix the fluctuating MAF readings and anomoly changes...
I think this should fix the fluctuating MAF readings and anomoly changes...
Originally Posted by Imprezd
Recently I have been able to tune a few different EVO8 with supposed “Stage II” Mods. The intakes that have been tested were the ARC Induction Box, HKS, RMR and Injen. All of these systems make the car run ridiculously lean under boost. It wasn’t common to see 13.1 afr at 20 psi of boost at 3500 rpm. The last customer I had come in made 210whp on another shops dyno because of this lean condition. Once he was tuned he made his normal 285 whp for the Stage II like modification. The end result was a happy customer and car than ran a lot better than when he arrived.
Jermaine~
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Jermaine~
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301-977-4727
This thread has been very informative.
I've finally bit the bullet and decided to go with the Utec. This is my first attempt at "tuning" my own vehicle - so I like to absorb as much info as possible. I can't help it - I like tinkering with stuff - it's my curse (by the way - is there any recommended reading on the subject?)
Would you say it's worth the 'trouble' to go with an aftermarket intake rather than opening the exhaust side of the equation?
Is it worth the effort to even use an AI or just keep the stock unit?
Thanks...
I've finally bit the bullet and decided to go with the Utec. This is my first attempt at "tuning" my own vehicle - so I like to absorb as much info as possible. I can't help it - I like tinkering with stuff - it's my curse (by the way - is there any recommended reading on the subject?)
Would you say it's worth the 'trouble' to go with an aftermarket intake rather than opening the exhaust side of the equation?
Is it worth the effort to even use an AI or just keep the stock unit?
Thanks...
What have you noticed with the TurboXS intake? Same type of stuff. I am guessing that it is going to be hard to be subjective on your own pieces but it would be nice to know.
Ben
Ben
Our intake may cause a slight difference in AFR, but not as much as we have been seeing with these others. We do not alter the intake pipe after the maf, anything that changes the nature of the vortices in the intake tract will affect maf readings and afr.
Thanks,
Jermaine~
Thanks,
Jermaine~
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