Oh, ok. I knew the mirage was 1.8, just not the other lancers. Thanks!

 

that website with the cheap turbo kits....its such a crappy setup...honestly...thats why its so cheap...also those numbers you will NEVER see with juts bolting on that kit. the stock motor just can't handle that much power safely. that website really went too high and it might be a maximum number...not what the kit is first set at.

also the 1.8 block might be able to handle the MAD boost but the pistons and rods cannot...hence increasing the price even more.

 

yeah... RRM on the site does say 200+whp for the non-ic kit...but the auto lancer dyno'd his car after that kit and got 170whp...add 10 cuz of the auto tranny and ur at 180....im sure after a full turbo-back exhaust, and a raise to 6psi with a boost controller he'd be at the 200whp, i would assume anyways.

this summer my bro said him and i could custom a turbo for my car...he can do piping as he did it for his prelude, he knows many DSM'rs in Vegas...so he can get most of the stuff for extra cheap or free...and even a t-25 turbo u can get ofr $100 on DSMTrader.com, he can get that and the fuel pump free(which does work in our car)

k im done i hope we can turbocharge my car this summer..it'd be so cool, w00t! lol

 

evofan- so you know for a FACT that the flat lander racing turbo kit is crap? Or are you just speculating that because it doesn't have the RRM label on it it must not be worth using.
CARB certification is only a valid arguement for people in CA and NY. I'll entertain any other arguement.

zlancer- why is it a crappy setup? because it uses an exhaust manifold instead of up and down pipes? Because it comes with more than the RRM kit? Are you trying to tell me that Garrett makes ****ty turbos?
in terms of the published numbers being the max, I'd have to agree. And it's also true that the RRM setup CANNOT safely make the claimed 230 on stock internals. At least not for very long. For that matter Dave at RPW would have you upgrade the internals if you were going above 170. And as many things as Dave is, or can be at times I've never had him try to sell me anything. He's very straigtforward about performance.
Besides, the website isn't falsely advertising or anything. It doesn't say "no other modification necessary" it just says "capable of. . . "

 

i think its just because it has no rep right now. and it seems a little too good to be true, cause of the low price.

 

actually that statement isnt exactly correct, RRM's current development of Stage 2 is pretty much at those numbers. Granted no one will believe me without a dyno but I have seen some pretty crazy stuff when I am over there.

With enough fuel, the stock internals can hold up to some power, but they were never meant for boost so upgraded internals is recommended by most.

I agree with what you are saying that no vender is going to post their low end, however that other kit has yet to be installed by anyone that I know of so theirs is complete hear-say. where the RRM kit is on many cars here and proven to put down significant power.

 

Fair enough. How long have the stock internals lasted with the stage one making around the 210WHP mark?
What's the stage 2? Fuel management? Bigger injectors? FPR? What's the price point estimated at (If you can tell us) and what's the "capable of" HP?

And you're right. It hasn't been published on the boards that anybody's used this turbo setup yet. It's gonna take 3000 people sending me a dollar through paypal before we find out how this setup compares to the RRM.

 

too funny.

I am not priveleged to alot of information over at RRM, I have just seen alot of the end results. I am sure that stage 2 comes with more fuel goodies to prevent det and such, the current kit comes with a FPR, whether that gets upgraded I dont know.

And i think their estimated wheel horse power is 210+ or so, not sure again as I cant speak for RRM, only give my opinion of what I have seen.

Either way you go though I am sure you will be happy, I love the difference that the turbo kit made, even if it was only 60-70 horses more, which I am sure I have gained more than that, the feeling is amazing and to me that is what I was looking for.

 

They never say on the website that it is the 1.8L that is making that power. They also list V6's and so forth on that same page. they do claim 50%+ with the kit... which lo and behold is about 68 hp.. which is inline with the RRM kit.

I'm with engineeringboy as always on his statements... so I'll save myself some typing

ADFX racing is also coming out with a turbo setup out of Rockford, IL. I'm about 1 year away from turboing myself... (suspension and full race setup this year).

And fact is regardless we have NO idea what anyone is actually making. Boe could be at 290 whp for all we know, or more. No one ever posts dynos. Everything is speculation. And we don't know what Andrew is making either once his car is running and going.

We also don't know of any other kits not being "reliable" as of yet. Andrew's is all custom, and he had other issues.. not the turbo kit itself (bad injector) so... RRM frankly has nothing concrete other than having made a good product and a rather avid fan base. Not that they've made anything that oustrips anything else. Just that they have done what they have done.

 

Exactly, I was reading that site and it says up to 50% gain, which would put the Lancer WHP around 155-160 on a manual, which sounds about right for 6-9 psi. It says it's capable of up to 18, but I'd like to see what the turbo guys on this site have to say about that, even with internals and management systems etc.

edit: moving to turbo forum

 

Any kit will work as long as you get everything you need. it is a good starting point and well worth the money as long as you get everything to watch your fuel 6 psi is 6psi no matter what kit you put on. As for reliability keep good oil and us BB turbo you are good to go.

 

I wrote a long *** post, but I lost it.

The short(er) version:

1. According to Jeff (formerly of ILP Performance) my car DID pull approx 190whp on the dyno when he popped it on. Three problems with this. 1. I don't know what gear. 2. Peak numbers mean ****. 3. Jeff only mentioned this to me recently and it could just be a somewhat mistaken memory. Without a plot I have nothing concrete and I'm not here to mistlead.

I'm personally extremely skeptical of this kit for a few reasons (which I've posted countless times elsewhere). 1. *Their claims are poorly worded and/or outrageous. They claim GAINS of 200-280hp if you read their statement. Not to mention they claim that's out of box. 2. A kit (esp a smaller turbine) without a bov or rcv is asking for long term problems with the turbo (assuming it lasts that long) 3. Their general claims regarding range of boost (up to 18lbs) is ridiculous and obviously doesn't take into account the different motors they have applications. 4. They have yet to be proven by anyone I've heard of or seen.

*Steve, I have another theory as to what caused my problem (still undiagnosed, but still appears to be the piston). I'll PM it to you in a bit, but I'm not posting anymore on this till I have some definitive proof.

 

you guys always read way to much into what you see. they are showing you a comparison. the Hp numbers are general numbers to show the differences in the kits they sell. as for the 18lbs of boost they are saying that the turbo it self can put out 18lbs of boost max not that our car can hadle it.

 

If you're dropping 2g's, you best know what you're getting and trust what you're putting the money down for imo. If you feel comfy spending it without any certainty of fitment, gains or durability...by all means go ahead. I've given my $0.02. Caveat emptor.

 

as far as internals go, i saw someone mention liquid lancer, i saw his engine after i twas being boosted at 9 psi for a year, it was fine