maybe i should of gotten the AMSOIL filter instead of the WIX then...

OIL DOC, do you think the dominator series is overkill? how does it compare to SSO

 

I agree its a great filter. I only say stick to the OEM because i am doing analysis to monitor my oil. The Stock is working fine. Unless i see the proof i would be hesitant to change. (if it aint broke dont fix it) Dont you have some analysis samples that show the difference between stock and Amsoil? Im sure many of us would like to see the results. We can all read what the company says on its website.... (marketing ploy like getting 15-20hp from an air filter....)If you want, send me a couple filters i will use both amsoil and mobil one with oem and amsoil filters and i will pay for the analysis. Heck, i will even try it with RP... and i will send to 2 different labs for analysis to compare!

Let me be clear, I agree 100% that amsoil is a great product! I just dont see the point in paying the premium...

If i want to take care of my car i will use what i know works. I have prooven that what i am using works.

 

^^^filters, oil quality etc has been the topic of many many many oil debates. If you have proof that one brand filter/oil is better than the other and it is UNBIASED testing with REAL results, you have me on board my friend!

 

The WIX filter is a very good filter, better than the OEM any day. You can get the AMSOIL EA Series next time.

As for the Dominator oil. Is it overkill ? Depends on the vehicle, how it is driven and/or mods... On a Daily driven Lancer, yes, it is overkill. On a modded engine, flat tappett cams, high lift cams with lots of spring pressure, it would be the oil of choice.

My Lancer is a DD, it has 0W-30 in it right now.. All it needs... but of course it has the AMSOIL EA Oil Filter ...

Doc

 

I fail to see what it matters about the analysis unless you were using it as a base line to test the oil/filter.

Donaldson has had the testing done on the Nano-Fiber filter and it has shown that with just the use of the filter, extended drain intervals are capable.

There is no Marketing ploy here. The Media was developed by Donaldson for use in applications such as the M-1 tank and other ground equipment that was being destroyed by the fine sand. Donaldson is a huge military contractor and could not afford marketing ploys...

Marketing ploys are words from certain companies such as "Against other brands"... Gee, wonder what company that sounds like.. ?

What you have works... for how long and how well does it work though ? That is like saying a Racing oil filter works on a race car, so it has to be good for my street car... it works right ?

Doc

 

junk

 

How about Donaldson ? A major military defense contractor ?

If the tests were Biased, AMSOIL would have been sued out of business years ago for false advertising.

You can tell me that if any other manufacturer could prove that they did a better job of anything, they wouldn't be out there thumping their chests.

My God, to knock AMSOIL off of their 35 year old Pedestal. To Beat "The First in Synthetics"...

Instead, the competition has to hide behind advertising ploys such as "Against Other Brands" or something similar.

They have access to the same tests... If they could, they darn sure would.


Doc

 

While on the subject, last time the dealer used Royal Purple. I thought it was nice they use this oil, but reading this thread, makes me wonder and i'll probably do my next oil change myself.

Of the oil that are readily available near me, which one should I use?

Mobil1 5W30 or 5W20 $41,99
Mobil1 EP 5W30 4L $49,99
Penzoil Platinum 5W30 4L $33,97
Castrol Syntec 5W40 4L $38,99
Quaker State Q Advanced or HorsePower 5W30 4L $34,99
Amsoil 5W30 (never thought Canadian Tire carried Amsoil) 5W30 1L $9,99

And while there, which viscosity should we be using for the winter months (temperatures as low as -30C)? Stick with 5W20? 5W30? 0W30?

I'm sure this will help quite a lot of people.

 

"for how long an how well" this is why im doing analysis, so i can discover this for myself. Im not sure how anyone of us can trust anyone in the oil business. Your analogy of using a racing filter on a street car is not even close to what im suggesting.

I have only heard stories of amsoil results, never seen any results (other than the bar charts on the amsoil website that anyone could have generated with excel). You claim all these results, why not post them. I surely cant find them online. Lets see the actual test reports. I dont doubt its a great oil, in fact i know that it is. However, statistics on a companies website dont mean a damm thing. Show us the proof. thats all people really want to see is the unbiased truth. Preferably from a company that doesn't have a vested interest in the oil. Your words mean nothing without the backup...

Back to Royal Purple.

 

Canadian Tire is one of only a couple Mass Merchants that slipped in before the 12 store Policy went into effect to protect the Dealer Base.

AMSOIL SSO would be my Top choice for your conditions. It has a Pour Point of -51 C. where most oils are solid at -40 F... sorry, you have to do the math on that one.

If your choice is the Mobil 1, make sure you get the EP, it is the PAO Based oil.

Castrol and Pennz are Hydro-Cracks...

AMSOIL 5W-20 is a Hydro-Crack as well

AMSOIL 0W-20 is 100% Syn

The number on the right ie: 20,30, 40 Etc... is the viscosity of the oil at operating temp.... 212 Degrees F

The number on the left, when followed by a "W" is the Winter weight of the oil and is measured at 32 Degrees F.


Doc

 

I have some test results but you will continue with your rhetoric about vested interest and the like which is Hogwash. AMSOIL would be sued out of business for false advertising.

AMSOIL uses several of The Top Testing Facilities in the US to conduct their testing. These Labs are ISO Certified and would lose that if they were found to be doing anything underhanded. Their equipment and procedures are Certified every 6 months. They follow ASTM and SAE Test procedures. ASTM tests cannot have the human hand involved and are totally duplicateable. Unlike the tests on TV with the "One Armed Bandit" that many people fall prey to.

At least one of the 3 labs are a Non-Profit Organization as well.

As I said, these tests and their results are available to any other company, that is why they use Marketing Terms such as "Against Other Brands".

Neither AMSOIL or myself have the need to prove any more than what we do. I have hundreds of EVO owners as customers and they continue to re-order. If what I said about AMSOIL wasn't true, it would be all over these forums within hours.

Nuff Said

Doc

 

^^ this is exactly what I'm talking about! All I stated, in my previous post, for normal everyday consumers, is if there was a legitamate unbiased test, from an independent entity, with results to back them up, then I'll be more happy to switch to the brand that is on top.

Instead, Oil Doc, you automatically go on the defensive about Amsoil! There's no need! No one said anything about Amsoil being a bad product! NO ONE!!!

As a matter of fact, I DID run across an oil test that was independently run...and Amsoil and Mobil 1 came out on top (even though Mobil 1 lasted a little longer than Amsoil did). people, please read it as it has good information! (Scroll down half way to "Past Results" and click on the Mobile 1 and Amsoil test links)

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/s.../oil-life.html

But that's not the point. The point is that you don't ALWAYS have to defend your product! And you have to understand that we are NORMAL everyday consumers that are barraged with hundreds of different brands for any given product. Forgive us for being skeptical to claims not backed by proof. Instead of arguing about it, just post up tests somewhere by reputable companies and SHOW us that Amsoil does what it does.

Marketing is just like religion and consumers are like Doubting Thomas. We won't believe it until we SEE it.

 

i use purple in my evo, wont use anything else... but my 08 lancer i put watever they have on sale with a brand name.. its a lancer

 

this oil stuff is confusing. imma just run water.

 

I am not on the defense... I offer tests, you say they are bias.. Any test I show you, you will called it biased, so this is futile. Royal Purple offers nothing.

I don't know what else to do... The test reports AMSOIL Publishes are performed by Certified Labs.. Take it or leave it..

The so-called tests you linked to are not credible and do not show Mobil 1 outlasting AMSOIL if these were the tests I remember reading quite some time ago. If I remember right they were performed with weather, tempurature all over the map, no controlled testing was performed. Vehicle tune is not controlled, humidity, temps, driving conditions in general. That is why I always look for ASTM and SAE Testing, they are controlled.

If I remember right, they stopped the testing when the TBN reached a certain level but the rate of drop slowed in the AMSOIL samples and that happens. Still had TBN, still good to go.

Not just that, I always have said Mobil 1 EP is a very good oil and you will not find any posts from me to contradict that.. This is about RP

Doc