well when I was comparing your rom to mine I must have pasted some of your values in my idle portion to see what difference it made in my idle well I must have forgot to put my idle values back to normal which caused my stalling, but now I have full a/c and heat and no more turbo noise. Car is really done for now until I get that motor from zulu

so we went looking for cars my dad loves the luxury cars of course... I also test drove the new mustang ill admit its pretty good but it doesnt have that pull like my car does when the turbo spools. But he wants to look at cars tomorrow as well he said he made a decision but he won't tell me because he needs my opinion on the car when we look at it haha how funny

 

well how come we just don't paste the values in our filter maps anyways with the stock lancer rom? If you think about it our lancer knock sensors will still pick up knocks anyways.

I also justhought of this, if you notice how all the other filter maps are blue, can't you just go into the map with notepad and add the coding from our stock maps into the tephra rom and just open it up so the ecu can use both filtering maps?

 

Do you mean the "knock sensor filter maps" 1-5 or 1-12 depending on base vs eco roms? Those have been basically removed form evo's because they were originally defined as "knock tables" but it was quickly discovered that they are not tables to be messed with, but parts of routines that are used to determine misfires. I think they ought to be just removed from our definition files as well, because they aren't necessarily something that seems to be, like "per engine" or whatever.

Even if you wanted to copy them, if they were legit tables, you couldn't. There were 12 in the evos and 5 in the base lancer, so you wouldn't know which was which. Even then though, from what I gather they aren't actual tables, they were incorrectly found or defined tables, that aren't actually referenced. Still...none of that matters, I'm not makin' any sense.

What matters is that the multipliers/adders combined with the load thresholds will create the knockbase, which we need to determine where that should be. I'm thinking a few things.

1. there really are "low rpm" knock multipliers on the base lancer rom, and we just don't know what they are, and just think there is 1..... or...

2. The knock multiplier is not 18 in the base lancer rom

Either way, without knowing, we're all in a spot of danger, due to poor knock control. I think as long as we're seeing some counts of knock, then it means we're not incredibly far off, and hopefully no blown engines, but I got a request.

Everyone, Mitsu.kid and you, and 03lances and anyone else who can, go log knockbase and knockadc, along with rpm and knocksum....1 or 2 pulls, doesn't necessarily need to be WOT, but might as well, and then graph it in evoscan's map tracer and put a pic up...I wanna see how we all look. See if anyone has a huge gap between base and adc, and also, please put your single/triple gains and your multipliers. Also, let everyone know if your AFR's are out of whack, or if you have a really noise clutch, or anything like that (like I know my TOB is going bad)

 

I can do this for sure. You guys might freak when you see my knock settings as they are not even close to stock evo or stock (or what we think is stock anyways) lancer settings. Some of you might consider it dangerous but all I know is my logs are showing awesome results and the car loves it and has never had an issue. It might be a couple days though cause I have snow here and its about 25 degrees. I agree that we need to find out one way or another our multipliers for sure.

 

Yup, I agree. Heck, I don't need to see yours, I already freaked once, remember??? Lol, I saw them and was like...umm, I hope you know what you're doing yo??? Still, you've got a spare car, so if worse comes to worst and something snaps, you can go get some forged internals and a new block, and really cut loose.

I'm going to go log mine now, brb with some results!

 

Ya I guess you could say I am being the guinea pig for knock settings. We have the civic and my truck if the beast goes down so I am not that concerned. Plus I discussed this with Roadspike before I ever changed a single knock setting. He reassured me as long as I dont pull some drastic changes to them the sensor will still pick up actual knock just due to how violent it is in nature.

So any logs for us there Hornstar?

 

Yeah, that's what I was thinking...real knock = SPIKE, but...meh, I know nothing about this other than what I read.

Anyhow, here's everything but a WOT log. There was a cop on my "go faster" road, and I didn't want to push it. The one spot here where I hit 150 load is in 2nd gear, but it's still somewhat valid I guess.

So, keep in mind here, 3 single, 5 triple, all mults are 18, knock load "thresholds" are all 10, and decay is 160ms. I have what I think is a bad TOB so that could (infact, I don't see any way it wouldn't) cause what I'm concerned about at low load cruise. I mean, if you idle with the clutch out (or in whatever it's called if I don't put my foot on the pedal), I can hear the rattle rattle and then when I push in it's gone....so at low load, it's probably noisier than it is at higher load.

Anyhow, I'll get a 3rd gear WOT pull sometime, maybe not tonight, as it gets dark so soon these days, and I might not be able see over there, lol. Lets see you guy's pics of adc vs base and what not, especially you Mitsu.Kid, I'm curious about that auto hybrid rom of yours. Also, the adc and base are only available in evo roms, right, since they are "MUT" addresses, so the base guys can't long that, right? I think ClixT was adding MUT to his base rom, but didn't, and went "evo rom" right? Anyhow, I'm thinking out loud now, and probably not providing anything useful at this point.

 

yeah I can do that since my car can idle now lol, I will put my pic up around 2:00 am, when Im off work, I knew I should have brought my laptop

 

Alright, expect some more fun stuff to get posted tomorrow morning. I've got logs from a stock lancer, and yes, you do get to log knock adc and knock base with a base lancer rom. My laptop battery basically just died on me like minutes before I got done reviewing the logs and my charger is at the office. Anyhow, results were basically knock in the lower rpms, knock in the upper rpms and knock all over the damn place....I forgot how much that dang stock lancer rom knocks.

So, knock adc on my engine is much much more jittery than the base lancers is...I'm thinking that is the TOB. I'll post some comparison pics tomorrow mornin'

 

yah i went evo-lancer hybrid rom instead. im also auto btw.
imma post some updates too once i have free time, maybe late tom afternoon.

 

Yes i will do this today at lunch and post my results! I have never logged those values before in EvoScan, what are there functions? Interesting, so ill take some screen shots in EvoScan and post them up!

 

Here are the Knock graphs of a stock lancer, and I'll put my WOT pulls as well. I do need to pull timing, as those 1-2 counts are probably real. They weren't any counts, and I increased timing, and then those showed up...so I'm pulling timing to put it back where it was basically, and I'll continue sorting the knocks out and all that....but basically from comparing this to the stock stuff....we're not that far off. The 1 thing I am a little worried about is where the multiplier takes place on a stock lancer, whether it's 18 the whole way, or if it's 18 just above a certain spot. I'm guessing it's 18 the whole way, since the knock thresholds basically prevent it from registering knock down low. Our thresholds would be the equivalent to having the evo not register knock under 100 load...I think it's just not sensitive enough for boost (the base rom that is).

This post is all base lancer stuff, base lancer pics start with a 2 in the filename, easy for me to tell them apart that wa

 

So, 1-filename is my evo rom, and 2-filename is the base lancer. The end of the "40 load cruise" is a very hard shift, where I am trying to create knock by slamming it into gear...only 2 counts though.

 

I pulled the timing back about 4 degrees over the entire base lancer ignition map and now im only getting around 3 knocks at cruise. WOT is still awful but I don't intend to go WOT until I'm turbo. My reason to switch to the tephra rom was to have a greater tunability to tune my cruise to 15.2 for gas mileage until I get my turbo build done. So right now, I'm satisfied with the results. We shall see what new plugs will do to, buying some today and I know mine are bad and have needed to be replaced for a long time.

 

How exactly do i interpret these graphs? breakdown for me plz?