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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ClixT
i guess if thats what they say. my point is, when its jibberish, the address(es) is(are) wrong and ecuflash cant read it right.
Yes correct. But i just noticed now i cant view the rom you sent me, your base lancer rom, the whole thing, like all the tables look like the knock sensor filter maps you posted up haha ill figure it out, i think its because its inherited from a wrong XML
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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I don't want to quote the entire conversation between you 2....but you can remove the "knock sensor filter maps" from your rom's XML file entirely, and pretend you have never seen them. The knock sensor settings are only the multipliers, adders, load threshold, and decay timer. With those you can achieve the proper "knock_base".
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:43 PM
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So, Mitsu.Kid's stuff is looking a little different. Let me know what you all think, but just judging from these 3 pulls, it looks like his car is either making a lot more noise than mine (even with the bad TOB) or he's got actual, honest to god knock. The thing to do mitsu, is everywhere you have those knock sums, pull 1 degree for each 3 count of knock, and do another pull. Lets see if the knock disappears or if it persists at the same rate, or what.

Notice how nice and quiet your car is accelerating at low load through the 2250 area, as opposed to my noisy *** car goin through there.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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I'm going absolutely nuts on this thread, like picture crazy, right?

Also, you (Mitsu.Kid) are gradually pushing the pedal down, right? You're not just slamming it to the floor, I'm guessing, since the load gradually increases. Anyhow, you're adc is crazy compared to the base, which is why you see 10 counts, it's bumping the "knockbase" all over. Try less timing, I'm thinking, and see if those spikes dissapear. If they do, good, if they don't, pull more timing, and see then, if you pull double the amount you would expect you should have to, and the knock still doesn't go away....we can start thinking it could be the way the knock sensor is calibrated, and is too sensitive. The same settings may not apply between roms you know, so it's a guessing game.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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Awesome hornstar. I will pull timing a few degrees in the "hurting" areas and send you 3 more logs, prob later tonite. Yeah im gradually pushing the pedal down as opposed to "flooring it" from an idle or even slow speeds.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Hornstar, three more logs, this time i pulled timing 2 degrees from 100-130 load
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitsu.kid.02
Hornstar, three more logs, this time i pulled timing 2 degrees from 100-130 load
Did you notice the way the knock past 100 basically disappeared? That means it was real knock...Keep pulling in the spots you have knock, like 80-100, I think.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
Did you notice the way the knock past 100 basically disappeared? That means it was real knock...Keep pulling in the spots you have knock, like 80-100, I think.

Yeah i did notice that, i will pull more timing in that area
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitsu.kid.02
Yeah i did notice that, i will pull more timing in that area
Also, it looked almost as if the knock got slightly worse before 100 like maybe you have a big jump in your timing map. Make sure she's smooooth as a baby's butt.
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Old Nov 24, 2010 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
Also, it looked almost as if the knock got slightly worse before 100 like maybe you have a big jump in your timing map. Make sure she's smooooth as a baby's butt.

Alright, well, my sister just had a kid, ill grab that baby and compare it to my timing map, then if all turns out well, ill go take some more logs!
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 08:07 AM
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Hornstar more logs:

Looks like there getting better
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Hornstar, heres mine: i didnt do a WOT and its only a small run. i ran out of road..



no knock so far. i also turned off pretty much all of the tephra mods
and im using my "Custom" Tephra N/A map
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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Clixt, what does the "enable airflow calcs" do? also whats the "MAP's pressure averaging" or whatever do in the tephra mods options
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ClixT
Hornstar, heres mine: i didnt do a WOT and its only a small run. i ran out of road..

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no knock so far. i also turned off pretty much all of the tephra mods
and im using my "Custom" Tephra N/A map
Looks good man, that gives me a little bit of good info, and it really gives Mitsu some info to work with. Basically, that ROM should read knock the exact same as the base lancers, so just believe that knock sensor if it says it's there on the auto lancer evo rom hybrid. Pull timing and iron it out Mitsu, and you ought to be fine. I think you may have done this, but I am not at my PC for thanksgiving, so I can't review them.

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Clixt, what does the "enable airflow calcs" do? also whats the "MAP's pressure averaging" or whatever do in the tephra mods options
Well, all the changelog for Tephra v7 says is "Added MrFred Airflow Calcs for g/s or lb/min ". I searched and found that this post might be your answer: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...b-min-mpg.html

the MAP averaging is for smoothing out the "boost" data if you have a MAP sensor from an EvoX or an omni 4bar....don't worry about that unless you have an aftermarket MAP sensor. It like, adds the 2 values, current and previous, and then divides them by 2 I think, so there are less "spikes".
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Old Nov 25, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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Oh ok, ill review that thread about airflow calcs and turn off the MAP averaging. Yeah i smoothed it out, knock is looking better!
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