What would be the most cost effective and most power netting modifications you could do to our lancers from the NA standpoint. i want to hear what people think the stages for the best NA car. no turbo, nitro, or forced induction of anykind, purely naturally aspirated. i am doing this to a)get some ideas b)debate what mods actually work and don't work in our cars and c)find out what parts people prefer and why

thanks
alex

 

start with the basic mods first.. then to the more expensive things

 

here is an example incase you don't follow the stage thing
stage one
intake, cat-back, header
stage two
intake mainifold, downpipe, performance cat, cams, valves
stage three
pistons, compression ratio, fuel management, timing system, and other general ecu upgrades

those are all the ideas i have for now off the top of my head but i am mainly looking for new compression ratio's and more advanced stuff like stages 2 & 3

 

Stage 2 would be probably the most effective per money spent.

 

Although I think that drivetrain should be a major factor in how well things work.

 

Fly wheel would be good and pulleys. New raidiator would be sweet.

 

dual/quad throttle bodies an option? if someone makes them for the lancer, that is

 

About fly wheels. No offense, cruisin, but that's probably about as effective as a port and polish on this car. The flywheel mod would basically just be a better mod with more power running through it, though, I doubt that a NA setup will ever provide enough power to make the fly wheel worth it's mettle (not metal). The radiator idea, now, might be a decent idea as far as dependability goes, but, performance... I don't know.

Jeff, multi-tbs are available, but, remember, things like that require multiple stand-alone management systems. That'd be talking a pretty penny, and the benefit that you'd see for this engine is negotiable, at best.

 

somthing simple plugs and wires and not to mention a throttle body depending on where you wanna class that.

 

I'd put plugs/wires in Stage 1, and TB modification into... stage 2. It's not quite as heavy duty as Stage 3's mods, but, it's not exactly a basic mod.

 

And, actually, as I re-read, that's where he DID class it.. Intake Manifold being the full term for the throttle body.

 

The intake manifold is the exact opposite of the exhaust manifold (header). It's just past the TB in the intake system.

 

Be that as it may, I was basically saying that he's talking about that as a whole, since it is one part.

 

N/A Stages??

1. Cry.
2. Cry harder.

Honestly, why would you want to spend a bunch of money on building up a sub 2-liter engine? For all that money, forced-induction is SO much more bang-for-the-buck!

hardcore609 listed out a bunch of stuff you could do, in three stages. I say the stages should go like this:

1. Decide if you think you'll ever go turbo.
2. If so, buy a cat-back and don't waste money on any other intake or exhaust piping.
3. Buy a turbo.

Unless you want to sell most of your exhaust and your intake, don't bother buying it if you know you're going to slap a turbo on there. Although, a cheap open-air filter might be worthwhile, just not an expensive cold-air-intake. With a simple K&N-style filter, you can reuse it for the turbo setup. A bored-out throttle body would probably be happier that way too.

It just makes so much sense to turbocharge these cars, I can't understand why anyone would want to build this tiny engine for N/A "power".

 

Need to find my post about all the possible mods to keep an engine NA...hm...

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...e&pagenumber=3

My post on there... I think that's about it. Have fun.

 

eslai, its a lot cheaper to do na and doesn't wear out the engine as fast, also you can't pass the visual part of a smog test with a non carb legal turbo and i don't think there are any carb legal turbos for the lancer, also if a cop pulls you over and makes you pop the hood and sees the turbo he can give you a fix it ticket for it and if you get caught with it again theres a fine, also with na you don't have to spend 4k all at once, you can just buy parts one at a time, also everybody got a turbo, why not be diffrent, not that i'm saying i don't like turbos, but na is cool too, also no turbo lag with na.

 

NA Is a good way to go more stable and less engine wear (said before) I personally i'm going NA but would consider turbo depends on my hp goal with NAbut I dont wanna mag race for now so i'll keep my mouth shup about what i will do to my lancer till you see my dynos and wonder are these acurate wait and see summer 2003 will be completed plus im in no hurry already have a nismo turbo and man is it fast

 

most of the expensive parts for an NA setup could be reused for a turbo, however yes some of them will be scrapped if i have a strong NA setup i can someday get a turbo and just blow the doors off the thing bang for the buck would be nitrious but thats cheap and wears the engine down really fast, close behind is a turbo another main reason for NA which has been stated is that i can just buy it in stages/as i get the money 4 grand is a lot to dump at once and i know i could never save to such a huge goal thanks for the ideas and keep them comin

 

rpw or vision imports says on thier site that the quad tb can gain like 70% hp, but this seems ridiculous and a guy at a local speed shop said it wouldn't be worth it since you would have to get a 4 channel computer which is like 4K, just wondering if anybody knows if you can find a 4 channel computer for less than 4k or how effective quad tbs are, cause i know the toyota 4age 16v dohc single tb had like 120 hp and the 20v dohc quad tb version had like 160, i'm not sure about those numbers and that was a 1.6 liter so there might be a bigger or smaller diffrence on the 4g94, also no one seems to know how much hp you could get with quad tb, high compression like 12:1 pistons and cams, just a ballpark would be good if anyone knows.

 

I'm pretty sure the Trueno engine never had quad TB's, but I know a common upgrade is to carburate the engine. You're confusing venturis with throttle bodies. Time to go look a Club 4AG to find out.