What you all need to know about motor oil in our Lancers.... PLEASE READ
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So, if those materials plug up the cats on trucks, NOTHING, synthetic or not, contains these materials... And, I should clear this up... a "synthetic" other than Royal Purple IS better than straight conventional, It does hae additives that help the engine... BUT, every single one gets the additives from the same exact company... so really, they are all the same. One of you made the comment that all gas isnt the same... wrong. IT is all gas isnt it? it all comes from the same oil... it is just refined differently, and some may refine it better than others. You want me to present my stuff, I will.
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Pssst, can someone call all the winning racing teams around the world running mobil 1 and let them know there doing it wrong.
Ps. The cat on my last car had over 150k on it. That's more than a sufficient life.
Ps. The cat on my last car had over 150k on it. That's more than a sufficient life.
I am confused how this information on the performance deficiencies of diesel oil is related to RoyalPurple being the only gasoline motor oil different from the rest? I understand that you are saying that regulations have changed in the name of the environment reducing performance and increasing fossil usage. However, how does this explain that Amsoil, Mobile, Castrol, Walmart brand, etc are all the same oil regardless of synthetic or natural oil branding and RP is a clear cut above?
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They are not doing anything wrong... I have been using Mobil 1 in every one of my cars. But, when compared to RP, it doesnt match up.
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Engine Oil Selection
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
Last edited by BlackOperative; Sep 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM. Reason: right from Comp Cams tech bullitin
With regard to your gas comment being all the same gas but being refined differently, doesn't this make the gasoline to the consumer different?? In the same way that Mobile might refine their motor oil in a different method then say Castrol? I do not see how this analogy is relevant if the gas is in fact different and you claim that all motor oils aside from RP are the same.
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Subject: Flat Tappet Camshaft Failures (Hydraulic & Solid/Mechanical)
Recent changes in oil and engine technology are likely the cause of premature camshaft
failure; here’s how you can protect your engine!
Premature flat tappet camshaft failure has been on the rise recently and not just with one brand or
type of camshaft. In almost every case, the hardness or the taper of the cam lobe is suspected, yet
most of the time that is not the problem. This growing trend is due to factors that are completely
unrelated to camshaft manufacture or quality control. Changes in today's oil products and
“advancements” in internal engine configurations have contributed to a harsher environment for
the camshaft and a potential for failure
The cam problem i stated
Recent changes in oil and engine technology are likely the cause of premature camshaft
failure; here’s how you can protect your engine!
Premature flat tappet camshaft failure has been on the rise recently and not just with one brand or
type of camshaft. In almost every case, the hardness or the taper of the cam lobe is suspected, yet
most of the time that is not the problem. This growing trend is due to factors that are completely
unrelated to camshaft manufacture or quality control. Changes in today's oil products and
“advancements” in internal engine configurations have contributed to a harsher environment for
the camshaft and a potential for failure
The cam problem i stated
Engine Oil Selection
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
Ok well i am sorry but they do not market anything, he IS a real racer, more than most, because he owns a gigantic shop and builds race engines EVERY SINGLE DAY!! I did not put this on here to market royal purple. You want the truth, go to royal pruples website right now and looka t the process. It is right there, they show you the whole thing. And no, actually, full synthetics are not full synthetic... Why dont you search around and find that law that was passed... The agency that brought up the issue said the "full synthetics" were eating up the catylatic converters. so, the oil companies HAD to change the oil and use a petroleum based substance. Yopu can beleive what you wish, but It has been proven thousands of times that Royal Purple does indeed increase HP, reduce friction, run cooler, and is derived from a synthetic material. I am not trying to argue this till death, but I am going to beleive the guy that BUILDS race engines, not just races them. My instructor has had 5 flat tappet cams come in CONSECUTIVELY back when the oil was changed, yeah, the cams were gone. Comp Cams REQUIRES that you use Royal Purple..... So, Royal purple must be crap if it is the only oil that can keep a flat tappet cam alive longer than a few hundred miles. I am 18 years old..... I am not a business man, i did not write this to market royal purple.... yes, they do want my money, and yes they DO care about my car.
So let me get this straight, you feel it is appropriate to go to the manufacturer's website and trust their own word on their own product? Are you that naive? Magnaflow claims a 10 hp increase with their catback exhaust on a base lancer, we know this not to be the case. Turbonator claims major power and fuel economy increases, we know this not to be the case. Royal Purple claims HP gains and again, we know this not the be the case. As said earlier, you could change bad early for newer crappy oil and see a power gain simply because it's new oil. Moreover, dynos are very fickle by nature, you can throw the same car on the same dyno on the same day and see wild changes in HP numbers.
Actually full synthetics are full synthetics, try doing some real research. Look at Amsoil and Motul. Just because a law was passed doesn't mean all companies choose to abuse it. Amsoil and Motul are massive in racing to the point that some teams that are sponsored by another oil company actually use their product instead. The agency said copper was eating up the cat, not the synthetic oil. You are making major flaws in logic.
Where is this proof that Royal Purple increases power? According to people on NASIOC, Royal Purple blows motors and is bad for the transmission. You keep on referencing this unknown person yet I don't see Royal Purple used in F1, WRC, etc. If it's such a wonderful and magical oil, why aren't top level racers using it? The only cars I've seen sponsored by Royal Purple are drag cars and as far as we know, they're not even running the junk they're marketing.
You are extremely naive and young if you think a major company gives a damn about you or your car.
Engine Oil Selection
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
As we touched on earlier, another major factor in the increase of flat tappet camshaft failure is
your favorite brand of engine oil. Simply put, today’s engine oil is just not the same as it used to
be, thanks to ever tightening environmental regulations. The EPA has done a great job in
reducing emissions and the effects of some of the ingredients found in traditional oils; however
these changes to the oil have only made life tougher on your flat tappet camshaft. The lubricity
of the oil and specifically the reduction of the important anti-wear additives such as zinc and
phosphorus, which help break-in and overall camshaft life, have been drastically reduced. In
terms of oil selection, we recommend a high “ZDDP”, Zinc Dialkyl Dithiosphosphate, content
oil for the break-in procedure and regular operation. There are several companies that are now
offering specialized “race/off-road” oils, high in anti-friction and anti-wear content, to combat
this specific problem. These oils carry the SL rating and contain up to 1000 ppm of
Zinc/Phosphorous (the Zinc content in today’s “off-the-shelf” oils have been reduced upwards of
20% since 2001 and approximately 35% since 1997).
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With regard to your gas comment being all the same gas but being refined differently, doesn't this make the gasoline to the consumer different?? In the same way that Mobile might refine their motor oil in a different method then say Castrol? I do not see how this analogy is relevant if the gas is in fact different and you claim that all motor oils aside from RP are the same.
You are right... I never meant they were EXACTLY the same oil just in a different bottle.... But, they have the same contents of those important materials, and they all get the additives that make it a synthetic from the same company. The EPA regulates the oil very closely, so there arent huge differences in oils, just like if I fill up with Mobil, shell or BP fuel, I am not going to tell a damn difference in performance, unle3ss i get a bad batch of gas, or the tanks underground were just filled, something to that matter.
And what's the deal with posting info about Diesel engines? Last I checked, my car isn't a diesel.