What you all need to know about motor oil in our Lancers.... PLEASE READ
Actually you can feel it. Some people have experienced knock and a subsequent retardation in timing because of one company's gas. You're also not going to be able to tell the difference between god's Royal Purple and other oils by that argument since even on high HP motors the supposed gains are still within the error variation of the dyno.
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And who is this person you're talking about? Royal Purple does a lot of marketing actually, have you ever opened up an Import Tuner, SCC, Car and Driver, etc?
So let me get this straight, you feel it is appropriate to go to the manufacturer's website and trust their own word on their own product? Are you that naive? Magnaflow claims a 10 hp increase with their catback exhaust on a base lancer, we know this not to be the case. Turbonator claims major power and fuel economy increases, we know this not to be the case. Royal Purple claims HP gains and again, we know this not the be the case. As said earlier, you could change bad early for newer crappy oil and see a power gain simply because it's new oil. Moreover, dynos are very fickle by nature, you can throw the same car on the same dyno on the same day and see wild changes in HP numbers.
Actually full synthetics are full synthetics, try doing some real research. Look at Amsoil and Motul. Just because a law was passed doesn't mean all companies choose to abuse it. Amsoil and Motul are massive in racing to the point that some teams that are sponsored by another oil company actually use their product instead. The agency said copper was eating up the cat, not the synthetic oil. You are making major flaws in logic.
Where is this proof that Royal Purple increases power? According to people on NASIOC, Royal Purple blows motors and is bad for the transmission. You keep on referencing this unknown person yet I don't see Royal Purple used in F1, WRC, etc. If it's such a wonderful and magical oil, why aren't top level racers using it? The only cars I've seen sponsored by Royal Purple are drag cars and as far as we know, they're not even running the junk they're marketing.
You are extremely naive and young if you think a major company gives a damn about you or your car.
So let me get this straight, you feel it is appropriate to go to the manufacturer's website and trust their own word on their own product? Are you that naive? Magnaflow claims a 10 hp increase with their catback exhaust on a base lancer, we know this not to be the case. Turbonator claims major power and fuel economy increases, we know this not to be the case. Royal Purple claims HP gains and again, we know this not the be the case. As said earlier, you could change bad early for newer crappy oil and see a power gain simply because it's new oil. Moreover, dynos are very fickle by nature, you can throw the same car on the same dyno on the same day and see wild changes in HP numbers.
Actually full synthetics are full synthetics, try doing some real research. Look at Amsoil and Motul. Just because a law was passed doesn't mean all companies choose to abuse it. Amsoil and Motul are massive in racing to the point that some teams that are sponsored by another oil company actually use their product instead. The agency said copper was eating up the cat, not the synthetic oil. You are making major flaws in logic.
Where is this proof that Royal Purple increases power? According to people on NASIOC, Royal Purple blows motors and is bad for the transmission. You keep on referencing this unknown person yet I don't see Royal Purple used in F1, WRC, etc. If it's such a wonderful and magical oil, why aren't top level racers using it? The only cars I've seen sponsored by Royal Purple are drag cars and as far as we know, they're not even running the junk they're marketing.
You are extremely naive and young if you think a major company gives a damn about you or your car.
Ok, this can go either way... how do YOU know that top race cars use the same oil we put in our cars? Do YOU have proof? Just because you don't like RP, doesnt mean that the cars with RP as a sponser are the only ones not using there product. Maybe a car stamped with MOBIL 1 is using RP, who knows??
Oh, and it is the copper from the oil that plugs up the cat.
So wait, this cam company won't advertise RP on their website yet when you buy their cams you are instructed to use RP? That makes no sense.
Ok, this can go either way... how do YOU know that top race cars use the same oil we put in our cars? Do YOU have proof? Just because you don't like RP, doesnt mean that the cars with RP as a sponser are the only ones not using there product. Maybe a car stamped with MOBIL 1 is using RP, who knows??
Wow I never knew I was a top racer considering I'm running Amsoil in my engine, transmission and braking system.
Ok, this can go either way... how do YOU know that top race cars use the same oil we put in our cars? Do YOU have proof? Just because you don't like RP, doesnt mean that the cars with RP as a sponser are the only ones not using there product. Maybe a car stamped with MOBIL 1 is using RP, who knows??
Oh, and it is the copper from the oil that plugs up the cat.
Oh, and it is the copper from the oil that plugs up the cat.
How can copper from the oil plug up the cats? If you're getting that much blowby, you have larger problems. I have a feeling you are trying to apply diesel engine dynamics to gasoline motors.
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Actually you can feel it. Some people have experienced knock and a subsequent retardation in timing because of one company's gas. You're also not going to be able to tell the difference between god's Royal Purple and other oils by that argument since even on high HP motors the supposed gains are still within the error variation of the dyno.
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Regulations require they use the same oil and in some cases the same fuel that you can buy on the street. Even F1 cars are required to use the same gasoline as street cars but obviously with their own additives added after the fact just the take into account the difference conditions. This is why Shell is considered to be a good gasoline company, they take what they learn at the track and apply it to the fuel they offer to us regular folks.
How can copper from the oil plug up the cats? If you're getting that much blowby, you have larger problems. I have a feeling you are trying to apply diesel engine dynamics to gasoline motors.
How can copper from the oil plug up the cats? If you're getting that much blowby, you have larger problems. I have a feeling you are trying to apply diesel engine dynamics to gasoline motors.
Not me, the EPA. See, for us guys that run gasoline stuff, I'm with all of you guys, any oil no matter what, will not hurt or plug our cats.... but, that doesnt mean that those materials only affected the cats.... They provided much better friction control and the flat tappet cam is a great example of this. I dont need to keep going on and on about this... why dont you call or talk to anybody that recently changed oil on a freshly rebuilt, flat tappet cam engine, and see what they say? If you use anything but RP, or a seperate additive to the oil, you will ruin the cam, simple as that.
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I don't understand man. You just told me that I was naive for listening to companies talk up on there products.... you are doing just that right there. Oh, and I know that there are regs for racing... In motocross, you cant use race gas, and my four stroke will get so hot that it will boil pump gas in the tank. Only thing is, is that in motocross, you cannot use additives, you have to use engineering to battle the heat coming of of the cylinder head. It is the impurities in the gas that cause it to boil, and because they are limited to pump gas, it becomes a real problem.
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I'm not talking about Amsoil... As far as im concerned Amsoil is doing more for us in the oil industry than ony of the other big fellas... I'm talking about very small oil companies many havent even heard of, made only for racing... RP is a RACING oil, but you can buy it right along side of Mobil one on the shelf. RP is NOT by any means the only full synthetic oil, it is the easiest to access.
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ZDDP Plus Oil Additive
After 70+ years, the EPA mandated that all domestic oil producers remove ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate) from all conventional and synthetic motor oil. If your engine was designed before 1989 the non-roller lifters require ZDDP to avoid premature deterioration. ZDDP also alters bearing and journal surface characteristics to prevent metal to metal contact. Under extreme conditions like a high performance motor, ZDDP reduces the tendency of parts to scuff or gall under heavy loads. Simply add ZDDP-Plus to every 4-5 quart oil change and your motor will be protected from metal to metal contact. Add one 4 ounce bottle to a 4-5 quart oil change modifier to eliminate and metal-to-metal contact
Another source of info that precious materials were lost in ALL oils, synthetic or not.
After 70+ years, the EPA mandated that all domestic oil producers remove ZDDP (Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate) from all conventional and synthetic motor oil. If your engine was designed before 1989 the non-roller lifters require ZDDP to avoid premature deterioration. ZDDP also alters bearing and journal surface characteristics to prevent metal to metal contact. Under extreme conditions like a high performance motor, ZDDP reduces the tendency of parts to scuff or gall under heavy loads. Simply add ZDDP-Plus to every 4-5 quart oil change and your motor will be protected from metal to metal contact. Add one 4 ounce bottle to a 4-5 quart oil change modifier to eliminate and metal-to-metal contact
Another source of info that precious materials were lost in ALL oils, synthetic or not.