What you all need to know about motor oil in our Lancers.... PLEASE READ
I had a couple of theories (hate to clog up this thread about oils).... In short, a lot of it had to do with tuning or lack thereof, running non-intercooled at such high psi, questions about the RRM box's tune and just, in my opinion, a general incomplete turbo kit that was labelled "complete" .... I dont know if you remember PGMike, but we used to AIM quite often when he had his Lancer. Had a few other guys I knew / knew of that had kits from various manufacturers.
To keep on-topic, here is an article about oils:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052
To keep on-topic, here is an article about oils:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052
At the peak of my "investigation" lol I was about to compare the oil pumps / sending units of the Lancer to various other Mitsubishis, but then experienced catastrophic failure myself (my own dumbass fault) and faded into the sunset. I completely agree that oil may have played a role in it, but my initial question when these Lancers were dropping like flies was, why aren't any other stock-aspirated now-turbo'ed Mitsus not having any oil related problems? No Mirages, no Eclipses, no Galants etc etc. But I was fighting a losing battle. Unfortunately, a popular tuner store said it was oil related and their word was taken as gospel ...
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Ok, this will be my last post on this arguement...
You must excuse me for being all over the place... every time I would post a new reply, 10 more would show up. I was typing constantly... So now, I will summarize everything I said into a few short segments....
1) I've been getting reamed by you guys since my first post... Give me break. I brought this up because I was interested, and looked into it farther.
2) Ambystom01, you keep telling me give us facts, give us proof... You havent backed up one damn thing you have said either, so cut me a break here to... When it comes down to it, everyone is an expert, no one will admit they are wrong... I am different, I dont claim to know something I dont. You are telling me to look outside the box?? Why do you think I havent used RP EVER in my life... I too thought it was a marketing technique.
3) This discussion was disscussing OFF THE SHELF OILS, do not bring racing into this... You and I have zero proof that race teams use the same oil we use, or a highly researched race oil. But, when you are comparing maybe 100,000 professional race cars to billions of ordinary cars, a little common sense goes a long ways. My beleif is that they (being Mobil one or whoever) make there own oil for racecars, that we cannot get a hold of, but you believe as you wish.
4) I am not saying OH MY GOD, lets all buy RP!!!!! OK, it isnt the best oil, but it is the best off-the-shelf oil, proven by many many sources, like Trucks, HP TV, extreme 4x4, and anywhere else. It is easily accessable.
5) don't ever make the mistake of saying UTI isnt a great school... It is #1 in the world, there isnt a better institute for automotive, don't believe me?? call up porsche, Volvo, Mercades Benz, BMW, International, Freightliner, or VW... just do it, and ask what they require to become a tech in a shop of theirs..... just try it. UTI is a must.
6) My instructor..... what some of you think is a bad source of info..... Ok, how many of you build race motors every single day??? probably non. He is the real deal, and when he says something it isnt because someone told him to do it... one of you said that different companies go to the schools asking to promote their products... UTI doesnt use anything unless there claims are real. RP met their claims, and are allowed to sell their items at the school.
7) Don't give me BS about Comp Cams in that there design is flawless Ambystom01, they have been making cams longer than you have been alive. Do you even know what a flat tappet cam is?? Aparently not. They were failing because of the oil, not the design. You are required by them to run a full synthetic oil, such as RP or Joe Gibbs, or use an additive. That is the truth, I showed you earlier.
8)Mobil one or any other big oil company doesnt give a rats *** about our cars. What do you think they did when Comp Cams was having trouble keeping cams from going flat?? Nothing. A true full synthetic is the only thing NOW that will keep a flat tappet from going flat. I say NOW, because before 2007, oil was still good. Why dont you guys read what I post on here? Multiple tests BY AMSOIL prove that a CI-4 oil, the older stuff, is way way better than the CJ-4, the newer oil. If anyone knows anything about motors, you can never downgrade in oil, you cannot use a SJ-4 oil in a SL-4 motor.
Thats everything I am going to say... If you want me to keep going, please treat me with some respect and not a dumbass... I know a thing or two.
You must excuse me for being all over the place... every time I would post a new reply, 10 more would show up. I was typing constantly... So now, I will summarize everything I said into a few short segments....
1) I've been getting reamed by you guys since my first post... Give me break. I brought this up because I was interested, and looked into it farther.
2) Ambystom01, you keep telling me give us facts, give us proof... You havent backed up one damn thing you have said either, so cut me a break here to... When it comes down to it, everyone is an expert, no one will admit they are wrong... I am different, I dont claim to know something I dont. You are telling me to look outside the box?? Why do you think I havent used RP EVER in my life... I too thought it was a marketing technique.
3) This discussion was disscussing OFF THE SHELF OILS, do not bring racing into this... You and I have zero proof that race teams use the same oil we use, or a highly researched race oil. But, when you are comparing maybe 100,000 professional race cars to billions of ordinary cars, a little common sense goes a long ways. My beleif is that they (being Mobil one or whoever) make there own oil for racecars, that we cannot get a hold of, but you believe as you wish.
4) I am not saying OH MY GOD, lets all buy RP!!!!! OK, it isnt the best oil, but it is the best off-the-shelf oil, proven by many many sources, like Trucks, HP TV, extreme 4x4, and anywhere else. It is easily accessable.
5) don't ever make the mistake of saying UTI isnt a great school... It is #1 in the world, there isnt a better institute for automotive, don't believe me?? call up porsche, Volvo, Mercades Benz, BMW, International, Freightliner, or VW... just do it, and ask what they require to become a tech in a shop of theirs..... just try it. UTI is a must.
6) My instructor..... what some of you think is a bad source of info..... Ok, how many of you build race motors every single day??? probably non. He is the real deal, and when he says something it isnt because someone told him to do it... one of you said that different companies go to the schools asking to promote their products... UTI doesnt use anything unless there claims are real. RP met their claims, and are allowed to sell their items at the school.
7) Don't give me BS about Comp Cams in that there design is flawless Ambystom01, they have been making cams longer than you have been alive. Do you even know what a flat tappet cam is?? Aparently not. They were failing because of the oil, not the design. You are required by them to run a full synthetic oil, such as RP or Joe Gibbs, or use an additive. That is the truth, I showed you earlier.
8)Mobil one or any other big oil company doesnt give a rats *** about our cars. What do you think they did when Comp Cams was having trouble keeping cams from going flat?? Nothing. A true full synthetic is the only thing NOW that will keep a flat tappet from going flat. I say NOW, because before 2007, oil was still good. Why dont you guys read what I post on here? Multiple tests BY AMSOIL prove that a CI-4 oil, the older stuff, is way way better than the CJ-4, the newer oil. If anyone knows anything about motors, you can never downgrade in oil, you cannot use a SJ-4 oil in a SL-4 motor.
Thats everything I am going to say... If you want me to keep going, please treat me with some respect and not a dumbass... I know a thing or two.
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I had a couple of theories (hate to clog up this thread about oils).... In short, a lot of it had to do with tuning or lack thereof, running non-intercooled at such high psi, questions about the RRM box's tune and just, in my opinion, a general incomplete turbo kit that was labelled "complete" .... I dont know if you remember PGMike, but we used to AIM quite often when he had his Lancer. Had a few other guys I knew / knew of that had kits from various manufacturers.
To keep on-topic, here is an article about oils:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052
To keep on-topic, here is an article about oils:
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136052
I think that is the thread I found and sparked my interest... And I read that oil article, there were a few incorrect things stated in there.... The #1 problem being it is on a FORUM, exactly as this, and all you guys are doing is saying that I dont know what I am arguing... Why the hell would I bring it up if I didnt know what I was talking about? I should go back and quote every single one of you and the stupid things YOU say, so you know what its like on my end right now. If you are going to treat me with a little more respect, I will search the EPA's website and find the regulations.... if not, I wont bother.
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Dang there were 2 threads. This one got crazy lol! i see butt scratchaa? Anyways as to everyone saying you don't really know what your talking about is not true. We actually need hard evidence and probably dna testing lol. Facts could be facts, but do you know this for certain?
Dang there were 2 threads. This one got crazy lol! i see butt scratchaa? Anyways as to everyone saying you don't really know what your talking about is not true. We actually need hard evidence and probably dna testing lol. Facts could be facts, but do you know this for certain?
As somebody who is at the track watching, racing, or working: I see mostly Mobil 1, Amsoil, Eneos, & Castrol (and personally use Mobil 1). The simple fact is that racers talk to each other quite a lot and are very detail oriented people - If RP was in any ever so slight way superior to those other brands, word would spread and the paddock and tech garages would be overflowing with the stuff. I cannot recall seeing (or using myself) a single bottle of Royal Purple anything. That alone, without visiting any websites or reading any marketing stuff, tells me volumes.
It's great that you have data on RP, etc. but the fact that it has an exceptionally small and almost insignificant presence on any level of racing and really no word of mouth aside from some self-produced marketing gimmicks tells me that it isn't all you're claiming it to be.
When talking about oil, fuel, and automotive design theory in general, you HAVE to bring racing into the equation (You make the argument that your teacher builds race engines and therefore must be taken seriously yet you also say to not bring racing into it.) for no other reason that that is where many off-the shelf products are born and tested. Most people didn't switch to Mobil 1 on a whim or because of some silly viral marketing campaign. The switch was made because of its reputation on F1 tracks and WRC stages. The technology used in those cars is the technology that's sitting on the shelf in Autozone.
Two cases in point: Ferrari Challenge guys do indeed use products readily available to the public as do GT teams in Grand Am (a certain team that shall remain nameless does promote one brand and use another, so you are right about that
). And lastly, don't come in here asking to be treated with respect if you're going to substantiate any claims you make by copying and pasting from other sources. It doesn't work that way. Telling us that Royal Purple is awesome because Royal Purple's website says so is circular reasoning.
It's great that you have data on RP, etc. but the fact that it has an exceptionally small and almost insignificant presence on any level of racing and really no word of mouth aside from some self-produced marketing gimmicks tells me that it isn't all you're claiming it to be.
When talking about oil, fuel, and automotive design theory in general, you HAVE to bring racing into the equation (You make the argument that your teacher builds race engines and therefore must be taken seriously yet you also say to not bring racing into it.) for no other reason that that is where many off-the shelf products are born and tested. Most people didn't switch to Mobil 1 on a whim or because of some silly viral marketing campaign. The switch was made because of its reputation on F1 tracks and WRC stages. The technology used in those cars is the technology that's sitting on the shelf in Autozone.
Two cases in point: Ferrari Challenge guys do indeed use products readily available to the public as do GT teams in Grand Am (a certain team that shall remain nameless does promote one brand and use another, so you are right about that
). And lastly, don't come in here asking to be treated with respect if you're going to substantiate any claims you make by copying and pasting from other sources. It doesn't work that way. Telling us that Royal Purple is awesome because Royal Purple's website says so is circular reasoning.
Last edited by nj_08_gts; Sep 23, 2008 at 10:54 PM.
Ok, this will be my last post on this arguement...
You must excuse me for being all over the place... every time I would post a new reply, 10 more would show up. I was typing constantly... So now, I will summarize everything I said into a few short segments....
1) I've been getting reamed by you guys since my first post... Give me break. I brought this up because I was interested, and looked into it farther.
2) Ambystom01, you keep telling me give us facts, give us proof... You havent backed up one damn thing you have said either, so cut me a break here to... When it comes down to it, everyone is an expert, no one will admit they are wrong... I am different, I dont claim to know something I dont. You are telling me to look outside the box?? Why do you think I havent used RP EVER in my life... I too thought it was a marketing technique.
3) This discussion was disscussing OFF THE SHELF OILS, do not bring racing into this... You and I have zero proof that race teams use the same oil we use, or a highly researched race oil. But, when you are comparing maybe 100,000 professional race cars to billions of ordinary cars, a little common sense goes a long ways. My beleif is that they (being Mobil one or whoever) make there own oil for racecars, that we cannot get a hold of, but you believe as you wish.
4) I am not saying OH MY GOD, lets all buy RP!!!!! OK, it isnt the best oil, but it is the best off-the-shelf oil, proven by many many sources, like Trucks, HP TV, extreme 4x4, and anywhere else. It is easily accessable.
5) don't ever make the mistake of saying UTI isnt a great school... It is #1 in the world, there isnt a better institute for automotive, don't believe me?? call up porsche, Volvo, Mercades Benz, BMW, International, Freightliner, or VW... just do it, and ask what they require to become a tech in a shop of theirs..... just try it. UTI is a must.
6) My instructor..... what some of you think is a bad source of info..... Ok, how many of you build race motors every single day??? probably non. He is the real deal, and when he says something it isnt because someone told him to do it... one of you said that different companies go to the schools asking to promote their products... UTI doesnt use anything unless there claims are real. RP met their claims, and are allowed to sell their items at the school.
7) Don't give me BS about Comp Cams in that there design is flawless Ambystom01, they have been making cams longer than you have been alive. Do you even know what a flat tappet cam is?? Aparently not. They were failing because of the oil, not the design. You are required by them to run a full synthetic oil, such as RP or Joe Gibbs, or use an additive. That is the truth, I showed you earlier.
8)Mobil one or any other big oil company doesnt give a rats *** about our cars. What do you think they did when Comp Cams was having trouble keeping cams from going flat?? Nothing. A true full synthetic is the only thing NOW that will keep a flat tappet from going flat. I say NOW, because before 2007, oil was still good. Why dont you guys read what I post on here? Multiple tests BY AMSOIL prove that a CI-4 oil, the older stuff, is way way better than the CJ-4, the newer oil. If anyone knows anything about motors, you can never downgrade in oil, you cannot use a SJ-4 oil in a SL-4 motor.
Thats everything I am going to say... If you want me to keep going, please treat me with some respect and not a dumbass... I know a thing or two.
You must excuse me for being all over the place... every time I would post a new reply, 10 more would show up. I was typing constantly... So now, I will summarize everything I said into a few short segments....
1) I've been getting reamed by you guys since my first post... Give me break. I brought this up because I was interested, and looked into it farther.
2) Ambystom01, you keep telling me give us facts, give us proof... You havent backed up one damn thing you have said either, so cut me a break here to... When it comes down to it, everyone is an expert, no one will admit they are wrong... I am different, I dont claim to know something I dont. You are telling me to look outside the box?? Why do you think I havent used RP EVER in my life... I too thought it was a marketing technique.
3) This discussion was disscussing OFF THE SHELF OILS, do not bring racing into this... You and I have zero proof that race teams use the same oil we use, or a highly researched race oil. But, when you are comparing maybe 100,000 professional race cars to billions of ordinary cars, a little common sense goes a long ways. My beleif is that they (being Mobil one or whoever) make there own oil for racecars, that we cannot get a hold of, but you believe as you wish.
4) I am not saying OH MY GOD, lets all buy RP!!!!! OK, it isnt the best oil, but it is the best off-the-shelf oil, proven by many many sources, like Trucks, HP TV, extreme 4x4, and anywhere else. It is easily accessable.
5) don't ever make the mistake of saying UTI isnt a great school... It is #1 in the world, there isnt a better institute for automotive, don't believe me?? call up porsche, Volvo, Mercades Benz, BMW, International, Freightliner, or VW... just do it, and ask what they require to become a tech in a shop of theirs..... just try it. UTI is a must.
6) My instructor..... what some of you think is a bad source of info..... Ok, how many of you build race motors every single day??? probably non. He is the real deal, and when he says something it isnt because someone told him to do it... one of you said that different companies go to the schools asking to promote their products... UTI doesnt use anything unless there claims are real. RP met their claims, and are allowed to sell their items at the school.
7) Don't give me BS about Comp Cams in that there design is flawless Ambystom01, they have been making cams longer than you have been alive. Do you even know what a flat tappet cam is?? Aparently not. They were failing because of the oil, not the design. You are required by them to run a full synthetic oil, such as RP or Joe Gibbs, or use an additive. That is the truth, I showed you earlier.
8)Mobil one or any other big oil company doesnt give a rats *** about our cars. What do you think they did when Comp Cams was having trouble keeping cams from going flat?? Nothing. A true full synthetic is the only thing NOW that will keep a flat tappet from going flat. I say NOW, because before 2007, oil was still good. Why dont you guys read what I post on here? Multiple tests BY AMSOIL prove that a CI-4 oil, the older stuff, is way way better than the CJ-4, the newer oil. If anyone knows anything about motors, you can never downgrade in oil, you cannot use a SJ-4 oil in a SL-4 motor.
Thats everything I am going to say... If you want me to keep going, please treat me with some respect and not a dumbass... I know a thing or two.
2. I'm not the one making claims. You sound like a freakin creationist who shows up to a biology conference, yells that he has proof that the universe was created by God then whines when no one provides proof of evolution despite the fact that the inherent flaws in his own logic already damn his arguments and the validity of the alternative is of no concern.
3. I provided a link showing that even in F1, the pinnacle of racing, teams are required to use the same fuel as found on the street albeit with new additives. While yes the additives change the final product, the starting product must be of a sufficient quality so as to fit racing needs. Teams are also provided oil by their supporters (like Shell) and *gasp* Shell offers those oils to everyday citizens. You're nuts if you think a manufacturer like Shell is going to dump millions of dollars researching oil/fuel and not apply those finding to the street. Motorsports do not pay the bills, your consumer base does. For other examples look at WRC. Logic is our friend. RACING USES OFF THE SHELF OILS. I MYSELF USE THOSE APPARENTLY UNOBTAINABLE OILS IN MY CAR. Right now I have Amsoil in most of my oil-taking systems (engine, transmission, differentials, brakes). Amsoil is very prevalent in racing http://www.amsoil.com/. A lot of the people I know also use Motul, again a company prevalent in racing http://www.motul.com/. At a recent rally, quite a few of the teams were running VP fuel. You can buy VP fuel if you want http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2.html. Again, companies are not going to spend big bucks developing fuels or any fluids that see no major marketing.
4. RP is far from the best off the shelf oil. I suggest you shop at a different store if the best they offer is RP.
5. UTI is not the best. Feel free to look at the recent thread in OT. Any school that has to advertise on SpeedTV is not the best. You don't see Harvard advertising on MTV now do you?
6. Just because he builds race motors does not mean he knows what he's talking about when it comes to fluids. He has the same problems and the same biases as everyone else. I've far more prone to trust multiple sources and go for companies that actually have their hand in motorsports, not those that advertise extensively in magazines like Import Tuner. As far as your comment regarding UTI's credibility, see my above point.
7. If a cam can only be used with one oil, it is a crappy cam. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. If you can only use tires on one type of asphalt, are they good tires? If you have a camera that can only take pictures in set of conditions, is it a good camera? No, products need to be flexible and if the tolerances are so tight that using a different kind of oil (that does not damage any other part of the engine) leads to a failure, it's a very bad and very sensitive product that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw it.
8. Did I say Mobil 1 cares about you? No, I've been around long enough to realize that companies don't care about their consumers, they just want you to be a consumer. If your motor blows because of RP, do you think they're going to pay for it? No, they're going to tell you to go hell since the product says "for offroad use only" on it. Also notice how you said Amsoil did the tests.
Last edited by ambystom01; Sep 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM.
6) My instructor..... what some of you think is a bad source of info..... Ok, how many of you build race motors every single day??? probably non. He is the real deal, and when he says something it isnt because someone told him to do it...
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1. You're getting "reamed" because you brought up an argument under the assumption that we were all morons who hadn't done any research for ourselves. Moreover you relied on poor information and have yet to produce any data to backup your claims regarding RP. It also doesn't help that you refer to UTI as "one of the best schools".
2. I'm not the one making claims. You sound like a freakin creationist who shows up to a biology conference, yells that he has proof that the universe was created by God then whines when no one provides proof of evolution despite the fact that the inherent flaws in his own logic already damn his arguments and the validity of the alternative is of no concern.
3. I provided a link showing that even in F1, the pinnacle of racing, teams are required to use the same fuel as found on the street albeit with new additives. While yes the additives change the final product, the starting product must be of a sufficient quality so as to fit racing needs. Teams are also provided oil by their supporters (like Shell) and *gasp* Shell offers those oils to everyday citizens. You're nuts if you think a manufacturer like Shell is going to dump millions of dollars researching oil/fuel and not apply those finding to the street. Motorsports do not pay the bills, your consumer base does. For other examples look at WRC. Logic is our friend. RACING USES OFF THE SHELF OILS. I MYSELF USE THOSE APPARENTLY UNOBTAINABLE OILS IN MY CAR. Right now I have Amsoil in most of my oil-taking systems (engine, transmission, differentials, brakes). Amsoil is very prevalent in racing http://www.amsoil.com/. A lot of the people I know also use Motul, again a company prevalent in racing http://www.motul.com/. At a recent rally, quite a few of the teams were running VP fuel. You can buy VP fuel if you want http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2.html. Again, companies are not going to spend big bucks developing fuels or any fluids that see no major marketing.
4. RP is far from the best off the shelf oil. I suggest you shop at a different store if the best they offer is RP.
5. UTI is not the best. Feel free to look at the recent thread in OT. Any school that has to advertise on SpeedTV is not the best. You don't see Harvard advertising on MTV now do you?
6. Just because he builds race motors does not mean he knows what he's talking about when it comes to fluids. He has the same problems and the same biases as everyone else. I've far more prone to trust multiple sources and go for companies that actually have their hand in motorsports, not those that advertise extensively in magazines like Import Tuner. As far as your comment regarding UTI's credibility, see my above point.
7. If a cam can only be used with one oil, it is a crappy cam. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. If you can only use tires on one type of asphalt, are they good tires? If you have a camera that can only take pictures in set of conditions, is it a good camera? No, products need to be flexible and if the tolerances are so tight that using a different kind of oil (that does not damage any other part of the engine) leads to a failure, it's a very bad and very sensitive product that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw it.
8. Did I say Mobil 1 cares about you? No, I've been around long enough to realize that companies don't care about their consumers, they just want you to be a consumer. If your motor blows because of RP, do you think they're going to pay for it? No, they're going to tell you to go hell since the product says "for offroad use only" on it. Also notice how you said Amsoil did the tests.
2. I'm not the one making claims. You sound like a freakin creationist who shows up to a biology conference, yells that he has proof that the universe was created by God then whines when no one provides proof of evolution despite the fact that the inherent flaws in his own logic already damn his arguments and the validity of the alternative is of no concern.
3. I provided a link showing that even in F1, the pinnacle of racing, teams are required to use the same fuel as found on the street albeit with new additives. While yes the additives change the final product, the starting product must be of a sufficient quality so as to fit racing needs. Teams are also provided oil by their supporters (like Shell) and *gasp* Shell offers those oils to everyday citizens. You're nuts if you think a manufacturer like Shell is going to dump millions of dollars researching oil/fuel and not apply those finding to the street. Motorsports do not pay the bills, your consumer base does. For other examples look at WRC. Logic is our friend. RACING USES OFF THE SHELF OILS. I MYSELF USE THOSE APPARENTLY UNOBTAINABLE OILS IN MY CAR. Right now I have Amsoil in most of my oil-taking systems (engine, transmission, differentials, brakes). Amsoil is very prevalent in racing http://www.amsoil.com/. A lot of the people I know also use Motul, again a company prevalent in racing http://www.motul.com/. At a recent rally, quite a few of the teams were running VP fuel. You can buy VP fuel if you want http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2.html. Again, companies are not going to spend big bucks developing fuels or any fluids that see no major marketing.
4. RP is far from the best off the shelf oil. I suggest you shop at a different store if the best they offer is RP.
5. UTI is not the best. Feel free to look at the recent thread in OT. Any school that has to advertise on SpeedTV is not the best. You don't see Harvard advertising on MTV now do you?
6. Just because he builds race motors does not mean he knows what he's talking about when it comes to fluids. He has the same problems and the same biases as everyone else. I've far more prone to trust multiple sources and go for companies that actually have their hand in motorsports, not those that advertise extensively in magazines like Import Tuner. As far as your comment regarding UTI's credibility, see my above point.
7. If a cam can only be used with one oil, it is a crappy cam. I'm sorry but that's the way it is. If you can only use tires on one type of asphalt, are they good tires? If you have a camera that can only take pictures in set of conditions, is it a good camera? No, products need to be flexible and if the tolerances are so tight that using a different kind of oil (that does not damage any other part of the engine) leads to a failure, it's a very bad and very sensitive product that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw it.
8. Did I say Mobil 1 cares about you? No, I've been around long enough to realize that companies don't care about their consumers, they just want you to be a consumer. If your motor blows because of RP, do you think they're going to pay for it? No, they're going to tell you to go hell since the product says "for offroad use only" on it. Also notice how you said Amsoil did the tests.
Another thing... why don't you tell me a better shcool than UTI.... Do it.... Ide love to know.... the fact is, I won a competition and EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the US I could attend for absolutely ZERO cost, UTI is the only school I had to pay something for.
Again, you make the asumption that Comp Cams has a bad design... I used them becasue they make the best cams available... you can take ANY flat tappet cam there ever was, run anything besides an oil such as RP, Joe Gibbs, or any other oil WITHOUT other additives, YOU WILL RUIN THE CAM!!!!!!!!!!!!! That, my friend, is the truth. The flat tappet cam is the same now as it was in the early years of the V8. And I am going to listen to someone who builds motors every single day, rather than someone who adds some bolt ons and calls himself an engine builder... He doesnt ONLY build race motors, but thats where everyone keeps going with this.
I don't claim to know it all... only what I know... I KNOW for a fact that you know more than I do about the car I'm driving right now. Taht doesnt bother me. But then when ONE person tries to be different and question if the money they have been spending is really worth it, he gets shot down... well excuse me for trying to be different... thinking different leads to ground breaking inventions. I love how every single one of you on here keep going, YEAH, RP is crap, it sucks, it blows motors, it is a waste of time and money, race teams dont use it, there website is crap...... WHEN NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE USED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That, to me, is funny. Yeah, I know a guy, who has a friend who used RP, and his car blew up..... I'm sorry but that doesnt cut it with me.
HERE IS WHAT I AM GOING TO DO!!! I will change my oil this weekend with RP and report back here.... If you have listened to anythign I have said, I am till NOT a believer in RP, I love my Mibil One, but, I am going to give it a try, and if I blow my motor, well, you guys were right and i was wrong... If I feel more power, smoother, whatever, YOU guys were wrong. Thats it, Thats all it is. And If I have any complaints with it, anything at all, I will report it back here.... EVOLUTINM.NET IS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TO HELP!!! That is what I thought I was doing. But all you guys are afraid of change, dont want to try something different. I will try it.
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As somebody who is at the track watching, racing, or working: I see mostly Mobil 1, Amsoil, Eneos, & Castrol (and personally use Mobil 1). The simple fact is that racers talk to each other quite a lot and are very detail oriented people - If RP was in any ever so slight way superior to those other brands, word would spread and the paddock and tech garages would be overflowing with the stuff. I cannot recall seeing (or using myself) a single bottle of Royal Purple anything. That alone, without visiting any websites or reading any marketing stuff, tells me volumes.
It's great that you have data on RP, etc. but the fact that it has an exceptionally small and almost insignificant presence on any level of racing and really no word of mouth aside from some self-produced marketing gimmicks tells me that it isn't all you're claiming it to be.
When talking about oil, fuel, and automotive design theory in general, you HAVE to bring racing into the equation (You make the argument that your teacher builds race engines and therefore must be taken seriously yet you also say to not bring racing into it.) for no other reason that that is where many off-the shelf products are born and tested. Most people didn't switch to Mobil 1 on a whim or because of some silly viral marketing campaign. The switch was made because of its reputation on F1 tracks and WRC stages. The technology used in those cars is the technology that's sitting on the shelf in Autozone.
Two cases in point: Ferrari Challenge guys do indeed use products readily available to the public as do GT teams in Grand Am (a certain team that shall remain nameless does promote one brand and use another, so you are right about that ). And lastly, don't come in here asking to be treated with respect if you're going to substantiate any claims you make by copying and pasting from other sources. It doesn't work that way. Telling us that Royal Purple is awesome because Royal Purple's website says so is circular reasoning.
It's great that you have data on RP, etc. but the fact that it has an exceptionally small and almost insignificant presence on any level of racing and really no word of mouth aside from some self-produced marketing gimmicks tells me that it isn't all you're claiming it to be.
When talking about oil, fuel, and automotive design theory in general, you HAVE to bring racing into the equation (You make the argument that your teacher builds race engines and therefore must be taken seriously yet you also say to not bring racing into it.) for no other reason that that is where many off-the shelf products are born and tested. Most people didn't switch to Mobil 1 on a whim or because of some silly viral marketing campaign. The switch was made because of its reputation on F1 tracks and WRC stages. The technology used in those cars is the technology that's sitting on the shelf in Autozone.
Two cases in point: Ferrari Challenge guys do indeed use products readily available to the public as do GT teams in Grand Am (a certain team that shall remain nameless does promote one brand and use another, so you are right about that
). And lastly, don't come in here asking to be treated with respect if you're going to substantiate any claims you make by copying and pasting from other sources. It doesn't work that way. Telling us that Royal Purple is awesome because Royal Purple's website says so is circular reasoning.Take a look at this... 2001 IHRA Top Fuel Champion, Record Holder For Most Consecutive Wins (6), IHRA Top Fuel ET Speed Record holder 4.631 @ 320.13, Set Career Best ET 4.555 @ 321.88, and was the 2000 IHRA Rookie of the Year 2nd in IHRA Top Fuel Points........ Guess what, RP.
And what do you know, Royal Purple has been involved with teams in the following championships since its introduction to the UK.
British F3 Championship (8 out of 10 teams now use Royal Purple)
British GT Championship
British Superbike Championship
FIA World Sportscar Championship
Ferrari Marinello Championship
World Powerboat Championship
British Rally Championship.
HMMMMM..... looks like a lot to me?
Also, the Le Mans 24hr, RP was the leading supplier DUE to its high film strengths and durability.
Royal Purple is also fully endorsed & recommended by former Ferrari Marinello champions Damax Racing, who use it in all their race & road going cars.
Ford Motor Company was experiencing problems with their Ford Puma rally engines, which was being caused by poor lubricant life. They changed to Royal Purple, and instead of changing the oil frequently through the rally, they were able to run for several rallies on the same sump full of Royal Purple oil.
2004 Royal Purple was in a winning car from all categories of Formula 3.
Out of 7 A class teams Royal Purple are currently involved with 5.
Out of 11 B class team's royal Purple are currently involved with 6 & will be involved with the complete grid within the next month.
Royal Purple are also involved with 4 GT teams
Embassey Racing
Damax Racing
2 privately entered BMW's
Royal Purple is also involved with 75% of the Brit Car grid, which includes the BMW M3 powered Mini of Beechdean Dairies.
Well would you look at that.... I found all this in various places, to find all the british teams that use RP, and by the looks of it, quite a few do.
do a dyno test before using mobil 1. then do a dyno after the change using royal purple.
"feeling" a difference is about as subjective as a doctor saying i "think" you have cancer. Gotta back it up with facts
"feeling" a difference is about as subjective as a doctor saying i "think" you have cancer. Gotta back it up with facts