^Bingo, that's exactly my point. If it was 50$, sure, go for it but 300$?

 

Great analogy nj_08_gts

 

i agree, but my point is not about this feeling thing, the fact that the CVT logic geared towards fuel economy not performance, additionally remember that some aspects of the CVT has the ability to learn the drivers behaviours, applying this patch ensures that the drivers demand for power will be heard by the CVT. That is the point I am driving home. Cost is not relevant. Because to different people its worth varies.

If you do not drive a CVT then you do not know what I am talking about. I would pay a pretty penny to fix this problem, its something I have mentioned for about a year and a half now but still have not found plug and play solution to fix it. I also doubt at this time there is a tuning flash that will fix the CVT side of the problem.

My issue isnt with HP there are other mods for 300 dollars that you can consider buying, my point to be very direct is to fix a issue with the CVT performance. This isnt about feeling faster, lol the car is faster because it responds more directly and accurately to the users demands. if I say 80% power I mean 80%, not 50%.
Again you have to be a CVT driver to fully understand and appreciate what I am talking about.

 

The transmission isn't going to magically change because of this product, it's going be the same transmission after the install as it was before. All this product does is increase the signal going to the ECU which effectively lets you hit 100% throttle faster, nothing more. You can get the same exact effect by just pinning the gas everywhere and that's free.
Apparently you don't completely know what you're talking about. If the ECU interprets a voltage of say 5V as full throttle, it doesn't matter if you boost the voltage above this point (if you even can), 100% throttle is by definition the maximum you can have. If this voltage is achieved with the pedal at 80% travel, why spend 300$ to make it happen at say 40% travel? Is 300$ really worth maybe 1/2 an inch of pedal travel?
The car won't be faster if you can get the same exact affect stock.

 

you really wouldnt understand the point of this product unless you have/had a CVT. i understand what evosoul is saying, you keep saying that you can do what this product can with your foot, which is 100% not true which is why hes saying you would have to drive a CVT to understand. you stomp your foot on a CVT you will go NO WHERE for at least a couple of seconds untill the car decides to start moving. so as i said befoer this probably wont be as needed for MT cars but for anyone who has driven the CVT lancer knows how sorely something like this is needed. the low end bogg and slow movement has been something CVT owners have been complaining for since day 1. and to have something to fix one of those major problems weither you think its worth it or if it does nothing or not in this cause with these cars it does something

you dont drive a CVT so you wouldnt understand at all the problem or how this product turns "good" for CVT owners

 

OK, how can this device make the CVT better? If all it does it boost the signal, it's effectively just making the throttle more sensitive, nothing more. It won't increase performance nor will it make the car more responsive necessarily, it will just allow you to hit full throttle faster. If you can't hit 100% throttle normally, there is something wrong with the car. If there is a delay between going full throttle (at which point the pedal sensor should be sending a full voltage to the ECU) and moving, there is either an issue with the ECU (a built-in delay lets say), the engine or the transmission.

 

I am refering to non 100% throttle driving. lol I havent actually given it a 100% throttle test. but as you and others have said 100% is 100%. faster response in everything less then 100% means wonders. well to me

ya to drive the point further. And I am talking to all you CVT guys out there especially if you havent modded your car yet with bolt ons.... you know what I am talking about your attempt to accelerate and you press that pedal and you just feel the ECU is forcing the needle to stay below that 2500 threshold. You have to plant you foot a little more to get it to go and give you more of that power above there. It almost seems like you have to press the pedal 100% but thats over kill. Thats when the ECU says, ohhhhh you wanted more power... Trust me Amby, go to the dealership, just as a comical test, tell them you are interested in trading in your Subi for a CVT lancer lol Drive it. it almost seems as if the tranny is fighting you telling you what you want in terms of acelleration. Its that bad. The car has the potential to move but it wont cause its been programed with this nature of ECONO box driving.

With the S.B. the CVT learns and gets the picture that you want to performance. since its getting the signal of what you want vs. what it thinks you want. Beleive me when I talk about this, I am not even bringing the whole 100% throttle argument into it. I am talking about response during normal, or spirited driving.

 

This doesn't increase response persay though, it just makes what would normally be 40% throttle position be 80% throttle position.

 

because the CVT from the factory wont do crap if you step on the pedal in any way or fashion, but if you have a device which will make the throttle more sensitive thus getting you to full throttle faster, which took longer to do without the device. so in reality if you were to take 0-60 times with and without this thing im sure you would have better numbers with it and not the same as you would without, because if you eliminate that bogg and slow movement when you hit the petal you are accelerating faster than normal, increasing movement no hp gains no but still increasing your movement

 

That's a CVT issue though, not a sensor issue. Getting to full throttle will maybe take 1/4 of a second less now, not worth 300$. You won't see an increase in performance, full throttle is full throttle, unless you take 5 seconds to depress the pedal, you won't notice a thing. The bog is probably due to the CVT transmission and any tune associated with it.
As an exercise, lets think it through logically. This device increases the signal correct? Well what this means is if the signal is let's say 2.5 V and you need 5 V for full throttle, if the device doubles the voltage, you can hit full throttle when the pedal is in the position normally associated with 2.5 V. For argument's sake we'll make it 50% pedal position. If you are seeing a delay when you pin the pedal to 100% pedal travel, how will increasing the voltage to simulate 100% pedal travel help? If you are sending the ECU a signal of 5 Vs, as you would with the pedal fully depressed, and see a delay, logically the problem won't be solved by just sending a 5 V signal 1/4 of a second faster. If the delay is noticeable, it's obviously going to be more than the 1/4 of a second time needed to floor the car.

 

The CVT tries to save you gas by limiting you from going over what seems like 2,750 RPMs when you're not at what im guessing is 60% throttle depending on the speed your traveling. When your not pushing on the gas, obviously your at 0%. a light tap will make it go to 1%. With this device it will go to 30% with a light tap.. The CVT detects this drastic increase and will go into performance mode.

Just mashing the pedal to the floor everywhere u go will still give u the bog because you still have to go through 1-29% throttle, this device skips all of that. With the pedal all the way to the floor, you might only be at 30% open throttle for 2-4 seconds before the CVT realizes that you pushed the pedal to the floor because you want to go fast. With this device you will be at 60% instantly (or as long as it takes to get the pedal to the floor) which will bring you into performance mode and save you 4 seconds of being at 2,750 RPMs. Once you hit 3,000 RPMs, not only does Mivec become more aggressive, but the CVT because more performance oriented and allows you to reach higher RPMs faster.

edit: Sorry for being confusing, I'm really tried but I'll try to explain better tomorrow. Best thing to do is just test drive a CVT car.

 

ay luda..the bog ur talkin about in low rpms..same **** wit m/t's..ive been thinkin its sometin wit my ecu or my sri..but nah man its jus the car

 

How long does it take to go from 0% throttle to 30% throttle? 1/4 of a second? Are you willing to pay 300$ to save 1/4 of a second? If you have the pedal to the floor, the sensor should be sending a signal for 100% throttle, not 30%. Again, it sounds like a CVT issue if that's the delay.

 

why even bother with performance mods if ur not willing to floor it? u wanna go fast, do everything u can to go fast, why halfass it, where talkin fractions of seconds here. ur arguement doesnt stand for the value, u wanna buy buy it but like said many times here before its not logical if ur doin it for performance reasons.

 

I get both sides of this debate. I've driven my 08 CVT GTS from April 2007 to November 2008. I understand what all the CVT guys are saying. I've experience the slow response when pushing the gas pedal in the CVT. BUT, I also understand where amby is getting at. It's really hard to say who's right or wrong. Kinda just stuck in between. I guess what it all comes down to the customer who's willing to spend the cash.

I'd also like to add that I've driven the 09 CVT GTS. My sister purchased one when I traded in my 08 for the RA. I actually didnt feel the 'bog' or 'delay' that we've been feeling. Maybe they fixed that for the 09's? Maybe it's the 4b12? But anyway, that's a whole different issue.