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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 09:58 AM
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Ever driven a RA or Evo X MR? The SST is a sick tranny that shifts so fast it doesn't even give your BOV time to release. Plus its a manual tranny that's driven automatic. There is nothing crap about it. Drive it in manual/sport mode and you won't have to worry about clutch wear-and-tear. Driving in auto/sport mode is just too much power for daily driving lol

yeah I drive them all the damn time. IMO, it takes all the fun out of having a car w/ that much potential.
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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how about a cvt bullet proof built or if that is impossible what M/T should I get

Originally Posted by CamShaft
replacing the cvt on these cars will cause headaches. Everything in the engine ECU and other ECU's are all programmed to talk to each other. You take the trans ecu out and the engine won't know what to do, the dash wont function properly. Unless you can get mitsu to program it somehow, to work with this other trans, then I doubt you will be able to do what you want. Get a manual with a heavy clutch. Then mitsu can program the engine and dash for a manual trans swap for sure.
is their anyway to add a torque converter to A cvt tranny or any way to bullet proof build A cvt tranny? and your saying if I get A manual tranny i can bring it to any mitsubishi dealer ship and they can do the swap for me how much do you think the labor would cost it should be like 1,000 or 2,000 right?. and also can the manual tranny be A 3g eclipse M/T honestly if I were to get A M/T idk which one is the best bang for my buck i'm trying to make 280 - 300+ hp what kinda M/T would you have in mind to get to do this type of tranny swap I love my 4b11 engine but later on this tranny has to go its a fun tranny but if it cant be bullet proof built then its A useless tranny that will keep engine at A 4b11 instead of A 4b11T.
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Old Jun 7, 2011 | 04:23 PM
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what type of performance manual tranny should I get thats A bang for buck

Originally Posted by CamShaft
replacing the cvt on these cars will cause headaches. Everything in the engine ECU and other ECU's are all programmed to talk to each other. You take the trans ecu out and the engine won't know what to do, the dash wont function properly. Unless you can get mitsu to program it somehow, to work with this other trans, then I doubt you will be able to do what you want. Get a manual with a heavy clutch. Then mitsu can program the engine and dash for a manual trans swap for sure.
what type of performance manual tranny should I get thats A bang for my buck does it have to be A fwd manual tranny for this type of procedure?
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Old Jun 8, 2011 | 09:29 AM
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Honestly I do not know what transmission you should get, but I can tell you that to fit properly you will only be able to get one that is an 08 and up. Without massive modification you will never get a, lets say, 06 ralliart manual trans to fit.

I would hope the manual trans found in base lancers can withstand that horsepower, but there is only one way to find out.

And if you are getting someone else to do all your labour, why bother with this whole thing? Just buy a car with more HP. If you are not prepared to break stuff and fix it yourself with that much HP, then I would not advise doing this.
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by CamShaft
Honestly I do not know what transmission you should get, but I can tell you that to fit properly you will only be able to get one that is an 08 and up. Without massive modification you will never get a, lets say, 06 ralliart manual trans to fit.

I would hope the manual trans found in base lancers can withstand that horsepower, but there is only one way to find out.

And if you are getting someone else to do all your labour, why bother with this whole thing? Just buy a car with more HP. If you are not prepared to break stuff and fix it yourself with that much HP, then I would not advise doing this.
well i'm still gonna do this procedure not now but later I just need to get the right manual tranny. i'm not the type of person that can just say oh this cant be modified ill just trade my car in for something faster no such thing applies to me. Every car that isnt already A sports car needs to be modified to be called A tuner but never mind that. I saw an 08 lancer es with manual tranny what kinda tranny would that be if anything ill try to find one of those from A crashed 08 lancer es manual and modifie it and do the procedure. do you think I can fit an 08 honda manual tranny in my car? If you can give me more info on what kinda 08 manual tranny I can use would much appreciate it.
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Old Jun 9, 2011 | 10:43 PM
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Its an Aisen transmission. Your best bet would be to contact them to see how the transmission is mounted and if they have any transmission that could be interchangeable. I know they also manufacture a brilliant 6 speed FWD gearbox.
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Old Jun 10, 2011 | 09:21 AM
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[QUOTE=M@verik;9381908]Its an Aisen transmission. Your best bet would be to contact them to see how the transmission is mounted and if they have any transmission that could be interchangeable. I know they also manufacture a brilliant 6 speed FWD gearbox.[/QUO



ok sounds good ill contact mitsubishi and ask them. and this 6 speed fwd gearbox you talk about is it A fully built tranny or just A gearbox. and do you think the aisen manual 5 speed transmission with A stage 2 clutch can withstand 280 hp if I make my turbo to make that much hp
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Old Jun 10, 2011 | 01:10 PM
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This thread makes my brain hurt.

Things proven.....
1) the 4b11, and 4b12 CAN be boosted. but dont expect huge numbers out of it without internal work.
2) CVT trannies in the 4b11 and 4b12 are not so happy with turbo and upgraded power in general
3) If you're going to put the time and energy into a transmission swap, and arent prepared to put MAJOR customization time in, your best bet is to just find the manual tranny out of a wrecked lancer with the same engine as yours. Replace the clutch with a stage 2, and go from there. But even still, thats gonna take A LOT of work. Enjoy cutting the firewall.

Things You Shouldnt be doing
1) Thinking the 4b11/4b12 and 4b11t are ANYWHERE similar to each other. They're not. Just about the only thing similar is the engine code, and the fact that the evo's manifold bolts up to the 4b11/4b12.
2) Expecting that this is going to be like a honda or acura, and have a TON of options to choose from in terms of swapping parts, or this and that. Its not. Thats why theres not 100s of threads on here regarding swaps, custom turbos, etc.
3) Investing a lot of time and money into something that probably isnt going to turn out the way you expect.

And NO, none of this is coming from me just because i'm an evo owner. I was an 03 OZ owner that i custom turbocharged, as well as an 09GTS owner. I know the process behind getting your hands dirty, and custom building something out of nothing. My turbo kit on my OZ was built from home depot parts, ebay intercoolers, and turbos that had seen better days. But it ran solid, strong, and didnt give me a single problem engine wise. My only problems were a clutch that couldnt keep up with the power, and a turbo that was abused by the previous owner.

So in short, i know your pain in having to play the card you've been dealt, and having a car that isnt exactly what you want, but trust me, its better to just enjoy the car for what it is, and look forward to when you can do it right. If you have the boost bug so hard, take that 10k+ you'd probably be spending in everything you want to do to the car that you've listed in this thread, and take half of that, go out and buy a used 240sx or eclipse GS-T/GSX, and start from there. Theres a MUCH better community for getting those turned into boost beasts with little to no cash involved.
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Old Jun 10, 2011 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sicktght311
This thread makes my brain hurt.

Things proven.....
1) the 4b11, and 4b12 CAN be boosted. but dont expect huge numbers out of it without internal work.
2) CVT trannies in the 4b11 and 4b12 are not so happy with turbo and upgraded power in general
3) If you're going to put the time and energy into a transmission swap, and arent prepared to put MAJOR customization time in, your best bet is to just find the manual tranny out of a wrecked lancer with the same engine as yours. Replace the clutch with a stage 2, and go from there. But even still, thats gonna take A LOT of work. Enjoy cutting the firewall.

Things You Shouldnt be doing
1) Thinking the 4b11/4b12 and 4b11t are ANYWHERE similar to each other. They're not. Just about the only thing similar is the engine code, and the fact that the evo's manifold bolts up to the 4b11/4b12.
2) Expecting that this is going to be like a honda or acura, and have a TON of options to choose from in terms of swapping parts, or this and that. Its not. Thats why theres not 100s of threads on here regarding swaps, custom turbos, etc.
3) Investing a lot of time and money into something that probably isnt going to turn out the way you expect.

And NO, none of this is coming from me just because i'm an evo owner. I was an 03 OZ owner that i custom turbocharged, as well as an 09GTS owner. I know the process behind getting your hands dirty, and custom building something out of nothing. My turbo kit on my OZ was built from home depot parts, ebay intercoolers, and turbos that had seen better days. But it ran solid, strong, and didnt give me a single problem engine wise. My only problems were a clutch that couldnt keep up with the power, and a turbo that was abused by the previous owner.

So in short, i know your pain in having to play the card you've been dealt, and having a car that isnt exactly what you want, but trust me, its better to just enjoy the car for what it is, and look forward to when you can do it right. If you have the boost bug so hard, take that 10k+ you'd probably be spending in everything you want to do to the car that you've listed in this thread, and take half of that, go out and buy a used 240sx or eclipse GS-T/GSX, and start from there. Theres a MUCH better community for getting those turned into boost beasts with little to no cash involved.

thanks for the info I dont have the bug that bad that I want to make my car go 280 hp right now this instance I just want to get some info so when I put A forge stroker kit in 4b11. I can save up 10,000 or more and make sure I get the perfect manual tranny and the new trans mounts, clutch assembly, and reprogram my ecu for manual so it can withstand 18 - maybe 20 pounds of boost from turbo. and I already added exterior and interior work racing seats and weight reduction etc. I mean modifing a car isnt about doing it all in one day or months its about planning it and taking time to do everything one step at A time and knowing that it can be done from people helping you on A forum. And like maverik said mitsu sells A 6 speed manual gearbox is their A way I can just take out my cvt gear box and put the 6 speed manual gear box in the tranny and add the clutch assemble and reprogram my engine ecu and dash to manual?
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Old Jun 10, 2011 | 09:33 PM
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making a cvt tranny stronger

But honestly If it was possible to beef up the cvt tranny or make the cvt tranny stronger to handle high pounds of turbo boost id leave the tranny situation alone but not sure if you can do that considering cvt just came out not to long ago so probably gonna have to wait A while untill A performance shop or some one finds out how to bullet proof A cvt tranny. Would appreciate some feed back on this one sorry if I ask alot of questions i'm new to the hole tuner scene and you know how you are when you get your first car and wanna tune your first car up.
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Old Jul 16, 2011 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by yitzac1990
Evo X OEM short block: $1900

as far as we all know, the lancer tranny will bolt right up to the Evo Block, possibly head too. but if you need a head...

OEM Evo X head: $1800
OEM Evo X ECU: forget, but under $1000

so the whole swap cant cost more than $4700 and labor.

supposedly lol
LOL
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