Sprint Booster, how does it work?
yes it will act the same. In fact it will act the exact same whether you floor the pedal without the SB, or go 90% with the pedal with the SB. Once the SB increases the signal up to 100% throttle, the response will be the exact same as if you floored it without.
"staying safe" and not claiming gains is retarded. They made the product, they should know full well what it does and does not do.
We don't need a CVT expert at all. Because this has nothing to do with the CVT.
Just to clarify I HAVE driven a CVT before. And i know how they feel when driving, and i understand the unpredictability of the transmission, and how laggy it can feel.
However NONE of this is to do with the gas pedal. It's all down to the transmission. The fundamental effects of the SB are the exact same on a manual, auto and CVT.
We don't need extensive testing because this is common sense stuff. If i came on here claiming that my new CD player made my car faster you wouldn't need extensive testing and numbers to prove otherwise. It's common sense, we know the CD player has nothing to do with how fast the car goes.
In the same logic, how the gas pedal is pressed has nothing to do with how the transmission works. It will work the exact same way with you pressing the gas 100% or the SB pressing the gas 100%. As far as the transmission is concerned there is no difference between the 2.
I seriously can't understand how you guys can't grasp this concept. It's so unbelievably straight forward. Despite all the attempts to complicate the issue by making up crap like "it makes my CVT feel better"
The only way that statement can be true is that the driver is having a placebo effect, expects a difference and thinks they feel one. Because in reality THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in how the CVT operates.
"staying safe" and not claiming gains is retarded. They made the product, they should know full well what it does and does not do.
We don't need a CVT expert at all. Because this has nothing to do with the CVT.
Just to clarify I HAVE driven a CVT before. And i know how they feel when driving, and i understand the unpredictability of the transmission, and how laggy it can feel.
However NONE of this is to do with the gas pedal. It's all down to the transmission. The fundamental effects of the SB are the exact same on a manual, auto and CVT.
We don't need extensive testing because this is common sense stuff. If i came on here claiming that my new CD player made my car faster you wouldn't need extensive testing and numbers to prove otherwise. It's common sense, we know the CD player has nothing to do with how fast the car goes.
In the same logic, how the gas pedal is pressed has nothing to do with how the transmission works. It will work the exact same way with you pressing the gas 100% or the SB pressing the gas 100%. As far as the transmission is concerned there is no difference between the 2.
I seriously can't understand how you guys can't grasp this concept. It's so unbelievably straight forward. Despite all the attempts to complicate the issue by making up crap like "it makes my CVT feel better"
The only way that statement can be true is that the driver is having a placebo effect, expects a difference and thinks they feel one. Because in reality THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in how the CVT operates.
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>>>Crypto, are there any other types of testing you think i should add?
For me, its good to talk to someone who has tried it out and made up his own mind. He gave his opinion of it and thats to me more important. His opinion is grounded in personal experience. I think the only difference is I value feedback, and you dont. Well not the positive kind at least on certain items. For me Its never been about choosing sides, this is no more then a debate. Regardless of what me and you say it will not affect the market and the success or failure of this product.
Amby, I didnt know you had a soft side to you. I cant imagine why something like this would hurt you. Rest assured, I am sure if this is just a hyped product it will come and go.
To respond to your posts in the Blitz thread, I hope you are refering to some other thread other then this one
Because those posts are from someone who hacked your account and left very soft comments and left.
LoL come on Amby, you usually run head long in to arguments. Running over the overhyped and weak minded as demonstrated in the image above. You have been here longer then me. but from your posts your generally not so easy, considering you think products like this are evil and fool people into spending money on something that is a waste of time. You dropped all types of napalm and tactical nukes in these three sprint booster threads.
I do remember your posts, but it didnt seem like you were at the top of your game. You posts were never more then 2 sentence.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6814405-post33.html
I'm somewhat confused by this. Are you saying that at SP1, when you hit 70% throttle, it suddenly drops to 50% and then goes up to 87% like stock?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6816577-post39.html
An intake yields real gains, regardless of how small, this product doesn't increase power at all so it's a very different argument.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6819818-post41.html
I know, I had my WRX tuned (drive-by-wire throttle system) and the throttle is much improved.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6822139-post44.html
Or you can just save yourself the money and learn how to adjust your own driving style.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6833860-post48.html
"That's an ECU issue, this product won't help."
Look, you dont have to post there, I just wanted to see you go up against the EVO X guys because it would be interesting. Its about time we put these tired arguments to rest at least between us. Its been an entertaining debate but other projects call. The reason why I am done at least arguing with you is because I can clearly see, by your own words that you have a beef with this company and product. Which means this isnt about the theory or principles of this type of device, but its a personally motivated hate for it.
The reason why I fault your position is because, early on in this, you stated that the same thing can be accomplished with a tune. Which meant it doesnt matter how it gets done, it does none the less improve your throttle response. You said you did it on your own car and I assume it felt good "I know, I had my WRX tuned (drive-by-wire throttle system) and the throttle is much improved." in the blitz thread. You wouldnt have done it via a tune if you didnt think it was worth it. regardless of price. your beef is, the miss informed people of the world didnt do it your way. Its been fun, but this argument between our two camps is pretty much over.
Yes at least for this thread people that will be the last time I trade broadside salvos with Amby
For me, its good to talk to someone who has tried it out and made up his own mind. He gave his opinion of it and thats to me more important. His opinion is grounded in personal experience. I think the only difference is I value feedback, and you dont. Well not the positive kind at least on certain items. For me Its never been about choosing sides, this is no more then a debate. Regardless of what me and you say it will not affect the market and the success or failure of this product.
Amby, I didnt know you had a soft side to you. I cant imagine why something like this would hurt you. Rest assured, I am sure if this is just a hyped product it will come and go.
To respond to your posts in the Blitz thread, I hope you are refering to some other thread other then this one
Because those posts are from someone who hacked your account and left very soft comments and left.
LoL come on Amby, you usually run head long in to arguments. Running over the overhyped and weak minded as demonstrated in the image above. You have been here longer then me. but from your posts your generally not so easy, considering you think products like this are evil and fool people into spending money on something that is a waste of time. You dropped all types of napalm and tactical nukes in these three sprint booster threads.
I do remember your posts, but it didnt seem like you were at the top of your game. You posts were never more then 2 sentence.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6814405-post33.html
I'm somewhat confused by this. Are you saying that at SP1, when you hit 70% throttle, it suddenly drops to 50% and then goes up to 87% like stock?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6816577-post39.html
An intake yields real gains, regardless of how small, this product doesn't increase power at all so it's a very different argument.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6819818-post41.html
I know, I had my WRX tuned (drive-by-wire throttle system) and the throttle is much improved.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6822139-post44.html
Or you can just save yourself the money and learn how to adjust your own driving style.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/6833860-post48.html
"That's an ECU issue, this product won't help."
Look, you dont have to post there, I just wanted to see you go up against the EVO X guys because it would be interesting. Its about time we put these tired arguments to rest at least between us. Its been an entertaining debate but other projects call. The reason why I am done at least arguing with you is because I can clearly see, by your own words that you have a beef with this company and product. Which means this isnt about the theory or principles of this type of device, but its a personally motivated hate for it.
The reason why I fault your position is because, early on in this, you stated that the same thing can be accomplished with a tune. Which meant it doesnt matter how it gets done, it does none the less improve your throttle response. You said you did it on your own car and I assume it felt good "I know, I had my WRX tuned (drive-by-wire throttle system) and the throttle is much improved." in the blitz thread. You wouldnt have done it via a tune if you didnt think it was worth it. regardless of price. your beef is, the miss informed people of the world didnt do it your way. Its been fun, but this argument between our two camps is pretty much over.
Yes at least for this thread people that will be the last time I trade broadside salvos with Amby
I read the thread and *gasp*, there were other people saying exactly what I was saying. Notice how the thread didn't go that far anyways. As I said, maybe Evo owners can spot a scam when they see one so we don't get 10 pages of "but it'll cure cancer" type arguments.
So because I think the product is junk, it's now a personal vendetta? So I guess I also have a personal vendetta against the company that makes the Tornado or the company that makes those Ebay chips, or the companies that make those coilover springs. When have I ever given any indication that this was purely against the company? Perhaps you need to read my posts again since I consistently base my positions on logic and reason, not emotional junk.
I stated that you can improve throttle response (ie. actually improve throttle response) through a tune. This is done by modifying the throttle maps such that you get a more linear map. This helps quite a bit on some cars depending on the stock map. Notice how this is something the SB cannot do. I am not talking about amplifying a signal, I am talking about changing the actual tune (again, something the SB cannot do).
Yes Evo_soul, you hit it right on the button, I'm mad because people don't do it my way
. I don't give a **** what people do but I'm not going to sit by while people spout bull**** on a forum I clearly care about.
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yes it will act the same. In fact it will act the exact same whether you floor the pedal without the SB, or go 90% with the pedal with the SB. Once the SB increases the signal up to 100% throttle, the response will be the exact same as if you floored it without.
"staying safe" and not claiming gains is retarded. They made the product, they should know full well what it does and does not do.
We don't need a CVT expert at all. Because this has nothing to do with the CVT.
Just to clarify I HAVE driven a CVT before. And i know how they feel when driving, and i understand the unpredictability of the transmission, and how laggy it can feel.
However NONE of this is to do with the gas pedal. It's all down to the transmission. The fundamental effects of the SB are the exact same on a manual, auto and CVT.
We don't need extensive testing because this is common sense stuff. If i came on here claiming that my new CD player made my car faster you wouldn't need extensive testing and numbers to prove otherwise. It's common sense, we know the CD player has nothing to do with how fast the car goes.
In the same logic, how the gas pedal is pressed has nothing to do with how the transmission works. It will work the exact same way with you pressing the gas 100% or the SB pressing the gas 100%. As far as the transmission is concerned there is no difference between the 2.
I seriously can't understand how you guys can't grasp this concept. It's so unbelievably straight forward. Despite all the attempts to complicate the issue by making up crap like "it makes my CVT feel better"
The only way that statement can be true is that the driver is having a placebo effect, expects a difference and thinks they feel one. Because in reality THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in how the CVT operates.
"staying safe" and not claiming gains is retarded. They made the product, they should know full well what it does and does not do.
We don't need a CVT expert at all. Because this has nothing to do with the CVT.
Just to clarify I HAVE driven a CVT before. And i know how they feel when driving, and i understand the unpredictability of the transmission, and how laggy it can feel.
However NONE of this is to do with the gas pedal. It's all down to the transmission. The fundamental effects of the SB are the exact same on a manual, auto and CVT.
We don't need extensive testing because this is common sense stuff. If i came on here claiming that my new CD player made my car faster you wouldn't need extensive testing and numbers to prove otherwise. It's common sense, we know the CD player has nothing to do with how fast the car goes.
In the same logic, how the gas pedal is pressed has nothing to do with how the transmission works. It will work the exact same way with you pressing the gas 100% or the SB pressing the gas 100%. As far as the transmission is concerned there is no difference between the 2.
I seriously can't understand how you guys can't grasp this concept. It's so unbelievably straight forward. Despite all the attempts to complicate the issue by making up crap like "it makes my CVT feel better"
The only way that statement can be true is that the driver is having a placebo effect, expects a difference and thinks they feel one. Because in reality THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE in how the CVT operates.
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I (or anybody else) obviously can't tell members how to spend their money...if you think a cupful of million dollar unicorn **** in your gas tank is going to give you 500 more HP, then go for it.
That PDF review of the Sprint Booster posted earlier is essentially proof that it does indeed work as advertised. However, going back to my first sentence, there aren't any empirical results from it. So, one can spend $300 just to get the feeling of quickness, when, in reality, the car you're driving is still moving slower than old people fark. A coke head won't spend $300 on a baggie of flour just so it feels like he's snorting drugs...rest assured that $300 is going to get spent on the real stuff. Now watch this! -
A gear head won't spend $300 on a chip just so it feels like he's going faster...rest assured that $300 is going to be spent on the real stuff.
There's my view of the situation. No abrasiveness or personal attacks required Like Evosoul said - a thread going back and forth about a topic is great for the forum, but it shouldn't get to the point where that thread becomes argumentative and no longer informative.
That PDF review of the Sprint Booster posted earlier is essentially proof that it does indeed work as advertised. However, going back to my first sentence, there aren't any empirical results from it. So, one can spend $300 just to get the feeling of quickness, when, in reality, the car you're driving is still moving slower than old people fark. A coke head won't spend $300 on a baggie of flour just so it feels like he's snorting drugs...rest assured that $300 is going to get spent on the real stuff. Now watch this! -
A gear head won't spend $300 on a chip just so it feels like he's going faster...rest assured that $300 is going to be spent on the real stuff.
There's my view of the situation. No abrasiveness or personal attacks required
Like Evosoul said - a thread going back and forth about a topic is great for the forum, but it shouldn't get to the point where that thread becomes argumentative and no longer informative.
A CVT isn't designed to slam the pedal to the floor and all of the sudden you're overtaking the Millennium Falcon in hyperspace. It's the physics of the gearbox that create the bog (and to a lesser extent, the electrical throttle system itself) - Drive a Formula 500 racer and you'll feel a slight bog with that CVT too - that's why it's a great beginner race car - it teaches you to be smooth and deliberate and that being jerky on the throttle doesn't work. Couple that along with the fact the car is underpowered and overweight; along with the fact it's designed to save gas and be economical. The manual gearbox is in a similar spot, too. The gear ratios are there to hold you back. The Lancer is meant to be driven smoothly, deliberately, and economically. 
made sure of this.
The CVT isn't going to learn anything from this device - people seem to be giving this thing way too much credit. The Sprint Booster website goes so far as to say it works independently of any ECU software or other modifications - so several members here are saying this thing works and will perform in ways that are diametrically opposed to even what the manufacturer is saying; which leads me to believe there is a lot of reaching and conjecture and flat out BS when some of you are forming your arguments. It will not assist in defying physical law by snapping the CVT into being more responsive and it will not decrease 0 to 60 times and will in no way, shape, or form; unless by the hand of Christ himself, make the car any faster. Maybe more interesting to drive, but that's all. SprintBooster said so themselves. It's just jacking up voltage...that's it. What else can this thing do? A few pages from now somebody will have it minting $3 bills and hosting the Tonight Show.
I wonder how good it feels on the USDM automatic transmission STI? The site sells products for a car that doesn't exist but makes it a point to mention that their products are specifically tested on each model car....how the hell did they test that one? How did they test ours? Did they at all? They're trying overcome the incredulity of eBay speed chips and such by charging over $300 for what is maybe $10 worth of parts..."It's expensive, so it must be worth it." Once again, I'm sure the product will make the car feel nice for those of you that purchase it (I really hope it does), but a lot of you are attributing things to this chip that go against reality and rational thought; and all the while it will be giving you no value for money.
And they're using a Seat Leon as one of the demo cars in that embedded video on the main page...that alone should be reason enough to pull the site from the Internet and salt the Earth so it can't grow back.
made sure of this.The CVT isn't going to learn anything from this device - people seem to be giving this thing way too much credit. The Sprint Booster website goes so far as to say it works independently of any ECU software or other modifications - so several members here are saying this thing works and will perform in ways that are diametrically opposed to even what the manufacturer is saying; which leads me to believe there is a lot of reaching and conjecture and flat out BS when some of you are forming your arguments. It will not assist in defying physical law by snapping the CVT into being more responsive and it will not decrease 0 to 60 times and will in no way, shape, or form; unless by the hand of Christ himself, make the car any faster. Maybe more interesting to drive, but that's all. SprintBooster said so themselves. It's just jacking up voltage...that's it. What else can this thing do? A few pages from now somebody will have it minting $3 bills and hosting the Tonight Show.
I wonder how good it feels on the USDM automatic transmission STI? The site sells products for a car that doesn't exist but makes it a point to mention that their products are specifically tested on each model car....how the hell did they test that one? How did they test ours? Did they at all? They're trying overcome the incredulity of eBay speed chips and such by charging over $300 for what is maybe $10 worth of parts..."It's expensive, so it must be worth it." Once again, I'm sure the product will make the car feel nice for those of you that purchase it (I really hope it does), but a lot of you are attributing things to this chip that go against reality and rational thought; and all the while it will be giving you no value for money.
And they're using a Seat Leon as one of the demo cars in that embedded video on the main page...that alone should be reason enough to pull the site from the Internet and salt the Earth so it can't grow back.
I quoted myself from the older, locked thread on Sprint Booster because I'm too lazy to type a response in this one.
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God this thread is incredible. Easily the best distraction from work I've had in a long time. Where else can I read comments like this?
"I truly wonder sometimes whether it's even worth it or whether we should live the naive remain naive and just hope to god they try to have sex with an electrical outlet and remove themselves from the gene pool."
So funny, but also tinged with an element of serious thought. Especially on this forum- if people can't learn from other people's knowledge and they end up buying these junk products anyway, then what can we do? Although, establishing the truth is important and I hope that arguments like this continue. They get ugly, but at least (if someone actually reads all this) they may save someone a lot of money.
"I truly wonder sometimes whether it's even worth it or whether we should live the naive remain naive and just hope to god they try to have sex with an electrical outlet and remove themselves from the gene pool."
So funny, but also tinged with an element of serious thought. Especially on this forum- if people can't learn from other people's knowledge and they end up buying these junk products anyway, then what can we do? Although, establishing the truth is important and I hope that arguments like this continue. They get ugly, but at least (if someone actually reads all this) they may save someone a lot of money.
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im scared to get into this thread..but anyways..
no effect on "0-60 mph" or 1/4 mile run, no increase in hp" so what are you paying $300.00 for? also ran into where this has a different feel at the beginning but once ecu gets use to it ur car will drive the same as before,, ecu gets use to a persons driving habit.. where a driver that babies his or her car will be slower compare to someone pushing the car all the time.....
now wheres my bullet proof vest???
no effect on "0-60 mph" or 1/4 mile run, no increase in hp" so what are you paying $300.00 for? also ran into where this has a different feel at the beginning but once ecu gets use to it ur car will drive the same as before,, ecu gets use to a persons driving habit.. where a driver that babies his or her car will be slower compare to someone pushing the car all the time.....
now wheres my bullet proof vest???
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