2005 Z51 Corvette
Originally Posted by Gary Bechtold
On paper they have "equal" handling, but a few I know give the edge to the more predictable handling of the Supra. Personally I give the edge to the driver here.
Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Care to elaborate on this? Hardly anyone runs Supras at the national level of autocrossing because they're not competitive in A-Stock (with C5 vettes), and at the track days I've been to, the Supra drivers had a hard time keeping up with stock S2000s and were nowhere close to the Z06s. Most of these were driven by occasional track-dayers - no professional drivers or anything.
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Originally Posted by pb24dagrk
do you know which car has won LeMans 3 out of the last 4 years? (hint, C5-R)
Anyway...havent we all had the Evo vs. Vette battle enough times to know that everyone disagrees and that in reality its comparing apples and oranges? Vette vs. Viper vs. Porsche vs. Evo? thats not how its supposed to be. Go duke it out w/STI owners instead.
Originally Posted by Gary Bechtold
I'm going by road racing as I don't know a whole lot of people who take their Supra's to the local autocross. They could be competitive in that, but it would require more skilled drivers. Supra owners either tend to stay away from autocross or are at the very amateur level if they do autocross. Plus you don't want to get me started about some of the "new breed" of kids getting ahold of Supra's. They cant drive anything well, let alone a 320+hp RWD car. The more pro level Supra drivers do road racing like Gingerman, Road America, etc. and the like. I'm saying that if you go on paper the C6 and the Supra post similar specs. My feeling is that they are essentially equals but I would give the edge on which car is better to who is doing the driving. The Supra is a highly competitive car with anything that is out there today as far as handling is concerned. Not bad for a 12 year old design.
Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
I've yet to see a Supra at Gingerman that could run with the C5, and the C6 is faster yet. I don't know what specs you mean, but giving up 30 HP (vs C5) or 80 HP (vs C6) and weighing 300+ lbs more doesn't equate to being just as fast on paper. The Vette's brakes are also much more in line with the car's mass.
Originally Posted by tritech
cant we all just get along?
Sorry to bring up the dead.. Just sold my Evo and am in the market for a Viper or vette... Man o man that C6 looks awesome.. Wish that stupid Evo wasn't in the way! ... Kidding.
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Originally Posted by Jhodel
I have put 35,000 miles on an 01 Z06 and recently bought an 05 Evo that my wife and I share. I have driven the Evo 2000 miles over a variety of roads. Personally, I think the Vette handles and corners as well as the Evo - the two cars just have different feeling reflexes.
The Evo's steering is very quick, which I like, but it is also somewhat twitchy compared too the Vette. The Corvette rides quite a bit better then the Evo and feels more composed on rough pavement. The Evo feels smaller which I prefer to the larger and bulkier feel of the Corvette. Both cars have great grip, and the Evo is especially good in the wet. Overall, I like them both, although they feel dramatically different.
Power wise it really isn't that close. The Evo feels quick with the intial turbo rush, but the Z06 really does have quite a bit more power, especially over 80 mph. And, the Corvette gets better gas mileage which surprises me somehow
Sure, you could mod your Evo to be as fast as the Z06, but there are many downsides to modded cars. First of all, you would probably decrease the market value of your car and loose every dollar you spent on the mods so that's hardly a bargain. You would also void the warranty, and probably make the car harsher, less comfortable, and less reliable.
Still, the difference in price is considerable and the Evo is a he11 of a car or $31,000. Howvers, if I was in the $45,000 to $48,000 range I'd get a C6.
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The Evo's steering is very quick, which I like, but it is also somewhat twitchy compared too the Vette. The Corvette rides quite a bit better then the Evo and feels more composed on rough pavement. The Evo feels smaller which I prefer to the larger and bulkier feel of the Corvette. Both cars have great grip, and the Evo is especially good in the wet. Overall, I like them both, although they feel dramatically different.
Power wise it really isn't that close. The Evo feels quick with the intial turbo rush, but the Z06 really does have quite a bit more power, especially over 80 mph. And, the Corvette gets better gas mileage which surprises me somehow
Sure, you could mod your Evo to be as fast as the Z06, but there are many downsides to modded cars. First of all, you would probably decrease the market value of your car and loose every dollar you spent on the mods so that's hardly a bargain. You would also void the warranty, and probably make the car harsher, less comfortable, and less reliable.
Still, the difference in price is considerable and the Evo is a he11 of a car or $31,000. Howvers, if I was in the $45,000 to $48,000 range I'd get a C6.
Jim
I personally prefer the steering feel on the Z06. I love the quickness of the Evo, but like you said, it can be a little twitchy. Something inbetween would be great.
The only thing I disagree with is grip. I think the Z06 simply has more lateral grip, while the Evo makes up for it with the AWD. But it takes a good driver to manipulate either.
The Corvette does feel "bigger", although the cars are pretty close in size. The Corvette is only an inch longer in wheelbase and length, but is also considerably wider. It's also 10 inches lower stock.
It's the width and the hood that makes it feel large, not the handling feel IMO. It's about 100 pounds lighter than the Evo, but like you said the steering is heavier but does give a little more feedback.
I love both cars, but the Z06 is more to my tastes.
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Originally Posted by Gary Bechtold
I'm going by road racing as I don't know a whole lot of people who take their Supra's to the local autocross. They could be competitive in that, but it would require more skilled drivers. Supra owners either tend to stay away from autocross or are at the very amateur level if they do autocross. Plus you don't want to get me started about some of the "new breed" of kids getting ahold of Supra's. They cant drive anything well, let alone a 320+hp RWD car. The more pro level Supra drivers do road racing like Gingerman, Road America, etc. and the like. I'm saying that if you go on paper the C6 and the Supra post similar specs. My feeling is that they are essentially equals but I would give the edge on which car is better to who is doing the driving. The Supra is a highly competitive car with anything that is out there today as far as handling is concerned. Not bad for a 12 year old design.
Yes, the Supra DOES post great numbers, for slalom and skidpad, but its real-world handling performance is a bit lacking compared to today's cars. It's heavy and front-biased and the steering feel is pretty bad.
I'm not posting totally unsubstantiated views here, cause I had 3 Supras over the period of 6 years.
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This has been a most enjoyable thread for me. After sifting through the banter and BS I've found it actually helpful. You see, I have a dilemma. I want a faster car. I love my evo to death and don't want to sell it. To mod it further would require a lot of time and some money. I think it is more likely to break the more I push it too. If my daily driver breaks, I'm screwed. The more mods, the more I need a skilled mechanic. But I need a faster car! Stock ZO6? 500hp? Sounds enticing. If it breaks the dealer can (probably) fix it. Or do I just wait for the upcoming Skyline? Oh what should I do? An 
yway, I've enjoyed all of the input!
yway, I've enjoyed all of the input!