2007 Sky Redline, S2000 Knockout???
don't you konw that the s2000 is the greatest car ever. far superior to the evo and everything else. they are the greatest cars ever built. "Purpose built race cars"
don't you know anything?
lol. for those of you who thought i was serious. just kidding. The S2K is probably the biggest dissapointment i've ever driven. Slow as sh_t.
don't you know anything?
lol. for those of you who thought i was serious. just kidding. The S2K is probably the biggest dissapointment i've ever driven. Slow as sh_t.
i do like the s2k. it's a great car but it's not gonna win any races, it's just good as a canyon car. people that hype it up to be more than it is are stupid. just like evos, the evo isn't the last economy racercar. if people had bigger budgets they'd be doin' bigger things. porsche gt3 comes to mind, so does a corvette z06 (now i'm sure hellsparetire is gonna say some **** about straight line speed and corvettes cuz he's a dumb ****)
Last edited by trinydex; Jan 11, 2007 at 12:31 PM.
I guess straight line speed in all that matters to evo drivers. I didn't expect much more anyways. You have the "turbo" after all. 
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above me that prove just how immature some evo drivers are.
I admit I didn't do any research, but the ONLY reason an evo would be able to run a faster time is because of the overwhelming power it has on the straights. And no, if the person driving the s2000 actually knows how to drive it, he won't lose to an evo, provided he has adequate power. And keep in mind that s2000s get the most power out of their engine in the high rpm zone, so if one keeps revving the engine in the powerband then he's fine. This is why there's less kill stories about evos vs s2000s on the highway from a roll.
It's ignorant comments like the one above me that prove just how immature some evo drivers are.
"only reason an evo would be able to run fster time is because overwhelming power"
"provided he has adequate power"
HA HA HA please stop talkin' about freeway rolls and drag racing... because it seems THAT'S all that matters to you. please actually watch some track racing instead of street racing vids on srt or whatever "vidz" sites. and also please come back when you're over 18... and even then think twice.
For what it's worth to some Evo owners here, I'll add this tidbit …
I have an Evo and an S. Before I traded my VIII for my current IX, I did a little comparison for myself at Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch (SMMR) just outside of Vegas on the following 2.2 mile configuration…
Evo: Turbo-back exhaust, Tanabe springs, upgraded aluminum OEM braces (front and rear), alignment, ATE fluid, stock pads, stock Advan A046s & Enkeis.
S2000: Stock suspension with European spec alignment, stock wheels/tires, stock pads, ATE fluid.
The best time I could flog from the Evo was a 2:00.xxx
The best lap in the S was a 1:59.xxx
The times are damn close, with the S on top running this particular configuration. As much as I love the Evo, I have to admit the S just felt better to me on the track. It was better balanced and very neutral with more precise feedback, better turn-in, rotation and weight transfer. The Evo's tendency to understeer makes it feel heavy on the track. Another culprit on track with the Evo is heatsoke. The car's fine for a few laps after warmup, but then you feel the heat sapping your power that you're expecting to use to pull away on the straighter sections of track. The Evo's brakes are more impressive and have a better feel than the S. So stock to basically stock, they're actually surprisingly close in this situation.
I have an Evo and an S. Before I traded my VIII for my current IX, I did a little comparison for myself at Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch (SMMR) just outside of Vegas on the following 2.2 mile configuration…
Evo: Turbo-back exhaust, Tanabe springs, upgraded aluminum OEM braces (front and rear), alignment, ATE fluid, stock pads, stock Advan A046s & Enkeis.
S2000: Stock suspension with European spec alignment, stock wheels/tires, stock pads, ATE fluid.
The best time I could flog from the Evo was a 2:00.xxx
The best lap in the S was a 1:59.xxx
The times are damn close, with the S on top running this particular configuration. As much as I love the Evo, I have to admit the S just felt better to me on the track. It was better balanced and very neutral with more precise feedback, better turn-in, rotation and weight transfer. The Evo's tendency to understeer makes it feel heavy on the track. Another culprit on track with the Evo is heatsoke. The car's fine for a few laps after warmup, but then you feel the heat sapping your power that you're expecting to use to pull away on the straighter sections of track. The Evo's brakes are more impressive and have a better feel than the S. So stock to basically stock, they're actually surprisingly close in this situation.
so basically what you're telling us is you put lowering springs on the evo... messed up the suspension geometry and damping and then did close to an S time.... fantastic. i'll take that proof.
The Evo was run on that config 2 separate occasions before the spring install. Without the springs, I was running 2:01s. The springs dialed out a little understeer, and reduced a little bodyroll compared to stock, but not much of difference in lap times. The car "felt" better to me on track, so they remained on the car. The point of the post was to illustrate the similar times of the cars, without bias and using the same driver.
Last edited by WhatNoise???; Jan 11, 2007 at 03:41 PM.
this thread is a mixed bag that's for sure. I love evo's and I like an the s2k (currently daily) but I just can't compare the boring powerband of the s2k to the nutty power of a modded EVO.
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WhatNoise brings up a very good example of the kind of stuff researching would have gotten me. Personal experiences are always better than professional reviews, because we aren't all perfect drivers. So stock for stock, that evo was 2 seconds slower than the s2000 on that course. I hate to seize the opportunity, but I might as well before all the "s2000 gets owned by evo anywhere" talk starts happening again. Now most of you won't agree with me, but the reason an evo FEELS faster at the track is because your driving mistakes are easily corrected using the power of the evo. So even if you didn't take a good line, all you have to do is mash that wonderful pedal and zoom zoom you go.
Oh and trinydex, if you're going to quote me at least spell it right. Also when you explain it try to make more sense. There aren't many videos of s2000s vs evos, I actually tried to find some and got no results. However, I've seen quite a few rwd vs awd track races, and rwds almost ALWAYS catch up at the corners, and the awds pull away at the straights. Since you guys like to compare your turbocharged engine against our na based on SPEED, then of course we'd need more power to keep up. I don't even need to be a S2000 fan to know that.
It takes more than that to be fast in a s2000. Which is why when most awd drivers switch over to s2000s or rwd in generally their lap times suffer, because they aren't used to it.
Last edited by hellspare; Jan 11, 2007 at 09:37 PM.
wait... so evos don't need to keep their rpms up to avoid turbo lag? your type of researching gets you what you wanna hear and what you wanna believe, you've already made it VERY clear that you ignore facts and real world numbers and apparently real world racing too. keep hittin' the touge, monster.
dude... how the HELL WOULD YOU FIND s2ks and evos racing wheel to wheel???? that makes no SENSE. timeattacks sucka that's where you see the competitions. and i already TOLD YOU where to find the competitions. HYPER MEET. look it up on tha intraweb. go to youtube or google video or just go to google and type in hypermeet or hyper meet. wow... that's TWO searches... or just look at hot version international... they have ALL KINDS of coverage of hyper meet and tsukuba time attack.
i don't compare whatever it is you're saying i compare stop watches... if you don't know what that means it's just another credit to your one sided researching. stop watch says evo wins. what do you have to say for yourself?
dude... how the HELL WOULD YOU FIND s2ks and evos racing wheel to wheel???? that makes no SENSE. timeattacks sucka that's where you see the competitions. and i already TOLD YOU where to find the competitions. HYPER MEET. look it up on tha intraweb. go to youtube or google video or just go to google and type in hypermeet or hyper meet. wow... that's TWO searches... or just look at hot version international... they have ALL KINDS of coverage of hyper meet and tsukuba time attack.
i don't compare whatever it is you're saying i compare stop watches... if you don't know what that means it's just another credit to your one sided researching. stop watch says evo wins. what do you have to say for yourself?
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hellspare I agree with you 110% Being a former owner of an s2000 (M.Y. 2000)and present owner of an evo(EB IX 06), I can tell the difference in both vehicles. I personally believe the s2000 makes you a better driver. on the other hand the evo is a bit more forgiving to a drivers mistakes.
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S2000 owners can say all they want, about how their car handles like this and that, the truth is their cars in my opinion are underpowered and the look/styling is getting old. Sure the car handles very nicely and is capable of high 13s/low 14s@99-101mph (so can an Eclipse GT) but drive around town and the car feels like a slug, unless the revs are screaming toward redline. Enter the new Saturn Sky Redline, quite possibly the most attractive and most appealing to me GM product to me in years, and that is saying a lot. I'm not sure if it will handle as well as the S2000 but it sure will be fast, and have something the S2000 lacks a lot of, torque! Also it comes turbo from the factory, meaning it should pick up a lot of power with bolt ons. This car and the it's Pontiac cousin, should take away more sells from a S2000 already losing them. 
nope.
2.0L Turbocharged 4-Cylinder
RWD
5-Speed Manual
260HP@5300RPM
260TQ@2500RPM
2950-3000Lbs
0-60- 5.2-5.4 Seconds (estimate)
1/4 Mile- 13.6-13.8 Seconds (estimate)
1/4 Mile Trap Speeds- 101-103MPH (estimate)
So which do you like S2000 or Sky Redline?
nope.
2.0L Turbocharged 4-Cylinder
RWD
5-Speed Manual
260HP@5300RPM
260TQ@2500RPM
2950-3000Lbs
0-60- 5.2-5.4 Seconds (estimate)
1/4 Mile- 13.6-13.8 Seconds (estimate)
1/4 Mile Trap Speeds- 101-103MPH (estimate)
So which do you like S2000 or Sky Redline?
hellspare I agree with you 110% Being a former owner of an s2000 (M.Y. 2000)and present owner of an evo(EB IX 06), I can tell the difference in both vehicles. I personally believe the s2000 makes you a better driver. on the other hand the evo is a bit more forgiving to a drivers mistakes.
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Just exactly what facts am I ignoring? I'm not denying the evo of anything besides it's inferior handling to the s2000, which has been PROVEN even in a measly thread like this. It's not like I'm trying to say the s2000 will ever beat the evo in a power competition stock vs stock. YOU'RE the one always trying to think of ways to compare the s2000 to something outrageously stupid. In case you didn't know, I'm not like that guy that wrote the article on the s2ki front page comparing evos to corollas. That's complete ****, and not something evos deserve.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
Last edited by hellspare; Jan 12, 2007 at 01:18 AM.
Just exactly what facts am I ignoring? I'm not denying the evo of anything besides it's inferior handling to the s2000, which has been PROVEN even in a measly thread like this. It's not like I'm trying to say the s2000 will ever beat the evo in a power competition stock vs stock. YOU'RE the one always trying to think of ways to compare the s2000 to something outrageously stupid. In case you didn't know, I'm not like that guy that wrote the article on the s2ki front page comparing evos to corollas. That's complete ****, and not something evos deserve.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
you're not talkin' about racing in a straight line yet all you say is that the evo has more power. glad you don' make sense. we can't use all that power in the turns??? that's why we have awd right? that's also why we make more grip and more g's regularly than the s2k.... that's also why the lap times are better on a course like tsukuba which hardly has any straights (yeah the front one that every track has, but you know this, gt4 right???)
i have to wonder if you've ever even driven an s2k... i have, the power is not a big deal. the car is nimble i like it... but seriously, as an ultimate performer it's lacking. keep playing gt4.
Just exactly what facts am I ignoring? I'm not denying the evo of anything besides it's inferior handling to the s2000, which has been PROVEN even in a measly thread like this. It's not like I'm trying to say the s2000 will ever beat the evo in a power competition stock vs stock. YOU'RE the one always trying to think of ways to compare the s2000 to something outrageously stupid. In case you didn't know, I'm not like that guy that wrote the article on the s2ki front page comparing evos to corollas. That's complete ****, and not something evos deserve.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
All you're doing is accusing me of absolutely nothing. Read the post where you told me to come back when I turn 18. Now read MY post that you quoted. You don't make any sense at all. I wasn't even talking about racing in a straight line, it's just that you can't use all your power in the corners, so evo drivers obviously use it on the straights. If that's what you consider ignoring facts then I am content with the idea that you just want to pick on s2000s because you drive an evo. Have it your way if you must.
Shadow, it's always nice to hear from people who've owned both cars before, most of the evo drivers that look down upon s2000s is because they've never had one for long periods of time. And to anybody who isn't at that level of driving yet an evo would just feel automatically better because of how fast it can accelerate and the whoooosh of the turbo. I'd probably be the same way if I went from evo --> s2k.
If you guys don't believe me go play gt4 or something, the awds are much easier to control than the rwds, but how come the rwds can go through corners faster? It's the same thing in real life. Horsepower and torque don't matter at all when attacking corners, it's the exit speed that counts. Nobody floors sharp turns.
you're not talkin' about racing in a straight line yet all you say is that the evo has more power. glad you don' make sense. we can't use all that power in the turns??? that's why we have awd right? that's also why we make more grip and more g's regularly than the s2k.... that's also why the lap times are better on a course like tsukuba which hardly has any straights (yeah the front one that every track has, but you know this, gt4 right???). see how you make no sense, i don't wanna have to break down everything for you.
i have to wonder if you've ever even driven an s2k... i have, the power is not a big deal. the car is nimble i like it... but seriously, as an ultimate performer it's lacking. keep playing gt4.
how does my reply make no sense? you said that you can't find vids of evos and s2ks at the same track, well that's a no brainer... evos and s2ks don't race wheel to wheel why? cuz they're usually differently classed. time attacks are where you'd see them at the same track running the same config on the same day. the only other way to compete is door to door, wheel to wheel. well.... the time attacks prove that the s2ks are still slower, does that spell it out for you yet? just watch this years hypermeet, do it fan boi and i'm sure you gotta know what i'm talkin' about you lil tougemunster
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