Really? $1500 less than than the STi seems fine to me.

The STi is being artificially limited to 5000 units. Why? Probably because they are losing money on everyone of them.
The Evo is on the other hand is limited due to production. Mitsu's goal is 4600 units, with production probably unable to handle much more. So 5000 vs. 4600? OMG, Mitsu must be shakin in their boots. Well, not really...

Both companies will sell all the cars they make. This isn't a sales battle, it's a battle of each company's halo car!

 

For starters:

3" turbo back - no cat
forged internals
BC / S-AFC
IC- still deciding which
turbo - still deciding which
hard pipe kit
BOV / Type S
Intake - HKS racing suction
IC pipe upgrade
etc..............etc...............

I've been wanting to do this for a while. I 've owned Corvettes and Porsches that I have moded but this car is just plain addictive to mod.

 

looks like a good plan!

 

I'm workin on it. HAHAHAHA

 

You sure have taken a step down in the world if you are going from Porsche to Mitsubishi. With the right amount of money there is just sa much to mod on a Porsche as on a Mitsubishi. Or even then if money is not a huge barrier there is always RUF.

1. You will never ever have the fastest EVO/STi/Corvette/Porsche or whatever. Someone will always outdo whatever you do. Remember that.
2. You sound like you are trying to prove something, be confident, don't try to prove anything. Just build up your pimp car and show us the specs.
3. Don't build your car up to say "I have the dopest car" build it up to say "I am happy with my pimp car." Build your car for your own gains, not to show off.

That's my short rant. I know my car is a piece of crap, but I am going to be happy with it until something better is in the garage. I know even if I spend 20,000 fixing up my lancer, someone will come along with a slightly modded S2000 and kick my ***. There is always someone better, I realize that and therefore I just do what I have to do to feel happy with my car.

 

You can rant. It's your right. I was asked so I replied. I have had a few cars in my time. All daily drivers and quite fitted. I have been into Evos. When I heard about the Evo coming here I snagged one up. I mean, the first thing I wanted to do was see what I could get out of it. So now I am going to find out. I appreciate fine autos. And I tend to get mouthy too. So, don't take my comments personaly. I just want a fast *** Evo. Why not?

 

Broeli...
There are plenty of people on Evolutionm.net who are able to step back and compare the merits/demerits of these two cars in a sensible, fair manner. These people also have the humility to admit that certain aspects cannot be fairly evaluated because of the lack of information about the how the USDM STi ACTUALLY drives.

I'm sorry to say, that you are not one of those people...

 

You hit the nail right on the head

 

Don't know about you - but with the exception of my SVT Focus (because I only plan on keeping it 1 year) I have replaced the stock head unit and speakers with aftermarket stuff in every car I have owned. I wish ALL cars had the option of no stereo since it ends up getting replaced, it is wasted money to buy one in the car. [/B][/QUOTE]

100% agreeable

 

my 2 cents for what's worth in Eric's Evo vs. STi rating systems:

Looks:
Evo: ugly
STi: ugly
edge: tie - neither will every win a beauty contest, but who cares!

Engine:
Evo: 4G63 - tons of proven potential & reliability at the strip & track +2
STi: EJ25 - higher displacement, variable cams, no history +2
edge: tie - I will go with reliability vs. max potential, but to each their own

intercooler:
Evo: larger front-mount, best placement but long pipes to & from engine +3
STi: decent sized, but lots of heat soak - but nice short pipes +1
edge: Evo - many high HP WRX & STI will move to front mount

driveline:
Evo: 1.5x rear, 50/50 center, open front +1
STi: LSD front & rear, DCCD +3
edge: this is Subaru's best point imo

transmission:
Evo: good old 5 speed +2
STi: slick new 6 speed, ratios might make it hard to drive +3
edge: if the new 6 speed is as good as it is rumored to be, Subu fans will be happy with the extra mileage their 6th cog allows

brakes: tie - they are the same!

wheels: see brakes

cabin: both plain & business-like, both have great seats

cost:
Evo: bout $29k MSRP +2
STi: bout $31k MSRP +1
edge: on average the Evo is going to be $1500 less expensive - $1500 more in mods

handling:
Evo: so far everyone has been amazed +3
STi: should be a step in the right direction for Subaru, cleaned up rear multi-link, but it has a ways to go +2

Extras:
Evo: stereo, IC sprayer, HIDs +2
STi: DCCD, IC sprayer, HIDs +3
edge: I personally don't like driver aids, but I know the DCCD will be the deciding factor for some - also, don't expect many STi to come here w/o a radio.

total:
Evo: +15
STi: +15

As I see it, it comes down to preference. I have wanted an Evo for a long time, and I sorta mad at Subaru atm. But, I'm sure the STi will be a huge hit for Subaru.

 

For this we have to wait until tuners would start playing with STi.
I noticed many EVO owners want to swap IC for a bigger unit as well. So the difference is some extra piping in STi to mount it at front.

And probably very subjective so it may vary from person to person.

STi has a little bigger rotors but the big difference might be in a proper air flow to cool them off. We will see....

I believe EVO has a little wider wheels/tires.

I am a bit worried about STi's seats. I know EVO's Recaros are sweet.

We do not know yet how STi would handle in comparision to EVO. And it might be a personal preference as well.

This "stereo argument" is a bit silly. Look at this forum how many people replaced their "crappy audio" in EVOs. And as far as STi I heard stereo is installed by a dealer and only if it was requested. I think all STis will come without it from a truck.

I think it would be the biggest factor. And wars "STi vs. EVO" would go on.
Why you are mad at Subaru?

 

couple of bad experiences with my dealer/SOA steming from my Outback. Also, the build quality on that guy leaves a lot to be desired, especially the interior. That said, I don't know that MMC is any better at build quality or customer care.

In addition I have seen the problems my roommate has had with his MY 02 WRX, especially when it comes to get it fixed. This spring his car was in the shop fore more then 3 weeks and the center dif/clutch was replaced. It was eventually all covered under warantee, but he had to ***** a ton, and this was at the best Subaru dealership in town - it's not their fault, they need to make sure SOA is going to pay them for their work.

bottom line, I have had bad experiences with Subaru, and I haven't with MMC - but that doesn't mean that I won't. Hopefully, both the STi and the Evo are pretty bug free. They should be as they are not new chassis.

 

you guys sound like kids

why don't you praise subaru for releasing such a wonderful machine... people dreamed for years and now it's here...

appreciate it instead of hating

i would love to see/drive feel the STi, but i am a mitsu fan at heart, so i went with the EVO...

it may not be as fast in a str8 line STOCK vs. STOCK... but these 2 cars are very close in comparison...

can't wait to see one on the road...

and for goodness sake someone show some maturity

 

Competition is good for the market. Want more choices? Want performance to go up and prices to come down? Then you want the EVO, STi, and every other similar car here in the states driving those market forces! MORE POWER TO US ALL!!!

 

I haven't heard anyone, including Shiv say anything substantial about the STI because of the ridiculous ban or blackout or whatever they're calling it until may 1.