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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fusionchicken
ouch, but so true imho. the 4b11 in the Evo X needs to make 80whp from tbe untuned for me to want to trade in my IX for it, at this point...

the sti hatchback looks ok, minus the wing (loooks like it's forced on there, wtF) and tail lights (who in the blue f**k comes up with tail lights like that?)

it'll come with a 2.0 L instead 2.5L now?

edit: i dont agree with the hyundai statement, from what i've read the engines are shared as a foundation, but the final build-up of each "foundations" will obviously result in much different engines in the end...its not like a hyundai engine will only need a turbo to be as powerful as the X's engine or some sh*t like that
According to some, I guess I'm a troll for point out what's NOT going to be good about the new Evo. Yes, they must all be right. A gain of 200 lbs, and then a bump of 14 hp to "offset" that additional 200 lbs is such a great thing, isn't it? What that means is that the Evo X will basically be no faster than what it currently is. Throw in an automatic transmission, and supposed that "200 lbs" is NOT including the transmission, and now you're looking at an additional 100-150 lbs. Now, what you have yourself is a vehicle with 300 hp, and a curb weight of 3500-3550 lbs, and that's before you sit in it. At the end of the day, take an average-sized male at 200 lbs, and you have a vehicle that weighs 3700-3800 lbs and makes 300 hp. See where I'm heading with this?

Now, maybe this new global motor will be a good thing, but there IS a such thing as "too many fingers in the pie." 3 different ways of doing things from 3 different companies may be beneficial, but somewhere along the way, there had to be a miscommunication or disagreement on at least one aspect of this motor. There's something to be said for, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."

It isn't trolling. It's realism. For some reason, everyone always likes to think it's "trolling" when someone else isn't kissing Mitsubishi's *** every time they do something. These are facts, gentlemen, and if I were any of you, I wouldn't be looking to purchase an Evo X within its first few years on market. Sorry, but I wouldn't trust Chrysler's or Hyundai's hands with helping me design the motor for my halo car.

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
It isn't trolling. It's realism.
Since you're unclear on the concept...

Trolling:

...a Hyundai motor...

Realism:

...a GEMA motor jointly developed by Daimler-Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai...
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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
According to some, I guess I'm a troll for point out what's NOT going to be good about the new Evo.
But you don't know anything. All your "facts" are screwed. So you can't point out what's NOT good for the Evo.

A gain of 200 lbs,
On a new platform. Its not the same as adding 200lbs to the current car. So we can't assume that weight will be detrimental. The car will have new features to better its handling, and part of that weight makes it stiffer and safer. The base new Lancer chassis is stiffer then the current Evo.

and then a bump of 14 hp to "offset" that additional 200 lbs is such a great thing, isn't it?
You have no idea what the hp figure of the X will be. Peak horsepower is not the end all be all of how a car behaves. Torque and power under the curve can be far more important.

What that means is that the Evo X will basically be no faster than what it currently is.
Another ignorant conlcusion.

See where I'm heading with this?
Ha ha ha, yeah ignorant fanboi rhetoric.

Now, maybe this new global motor will be a good thing, but there IS a such thing as "too many fingers in the pie."
There's also such a thing as talking out of one's own *** trying to look smart in front of a bunch of people who think otherwise.

3 different ways of doing things from 3 different companies may be beneficial, but somewhere along the way, there had to be a miscommunication or disagreement on at least one aspect of this motor. There's something to be said for, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."
The three companies have worked together before and as far back as the early seventies in Mitsu's and Chrysler's case. I'm pretty sure they're above any of the troubles you and your friends would have working together on a project.

It isn't trolling. It's realism.
Bwahhhaaaa ha aha ha

and if I were any of you, I wouldn't be looking to purchase an Evo X within its first few years on market. Sorry, but I wouldn't trust Chrysler's or Hyundai's hands with helping me design the motor for my halo car.
More advice from the troll. Amazing. Even though I know it is Mitsubishi's design team creating the X - what credentials do you have to call everyone at Hyundai and Chrysler incompetant? Hyundai is near the top of reliability reports and Chrysler is a part of DCX with engineers from both America and Germany.

Why should we listen to you?

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Old Feb 12, 2007 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowride
Since you're unclear on the concept...

Trolling:

...a Hyundai motor...

Realism:

...a GEMA motor jointly developed by Daimler-Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai...
Guess what. If Hyundai's paws are involved in developing the motor, it's a Hyundai motor. If it walks like a duck, and looks like a duck, the odds are that it's a duck. You can say it's a Daimler-Chrysler motor, and you'd be right. And if it makes you feel good, call it a Mitsubishi motor. I don't care what you call it.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 12:55 AM
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I vote Sinister Subaru to be banned forever for being totally clueless.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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And I vote you quit trying to instigate trouble.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 01:44 AM
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What? You're the one that started this whole mess! Lame and weak.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
And I vote you quit trying to instigate trouble.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Vigo
What? You're the one that started this whole mess! Lame and weak.
You've posted nothing but instigations:

1. GPTourer raped Sinister Subaru again!
2. GPTTourer owned Sinister Subaru!
3. I vote to ban Sinister Subaru

I don't even need to go on. You're like the background noise, almost the tag-along. "Yeah! Get'em!!" All the while, you're the guy standing in the background trying to direct the show.

Clearly you have nothing of any value to add, so off to the ignore list you go. Each and every time someone reads your babble, they end up with a few less brain cells.
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
According to some, I guess I'm a troll for point out what's NOT going to be good about the new Evo. Yes, they must all be right. A gain of 200 lbs, and then a bump of 14 hp to "offset" that additional 200 lbs is such a great thing, isn't it? What that means is that the Evo X will basically be no faster than what it currently is. Throw in an automatic transmission, and supposed that "200 lbs" is NOT including the transmission, and now you're looking at an additional 100-150 lbs. Now, what you have yourself is a vehicle with 300 hp, and a curb weight of 3500-3550 lbs, and that's before you sit in it. At the end of the day, take an average-sized male at 200 lbs, and you have a vehicle that weighs 3700-3800 lbs and makes 300 hp. See where I'm heading with this?

Now, maybe this new global motor will be a good thing, but there IS a such thing as "too many fingers in the pie." 3 different ways of doing things from 3 different companies may be beneficial, but somewhere along the way, there had to be a miscommunication or disagreement on at least one aspect of this motor. There's something to be said for, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."

It isn't trolling. It's realism. For some reason, everyone always likes to think it's "trolling" when someone else isn't kissing Mitsubishi's *** every time they do something. These are facts, gentlemen, and if I were any of you, I wouldn't be looking to purchase an Evo X within its first few years on market. Sorry, but I wouldn't trust Chrysler's or Hyundai's hands with helping me design the motor for my halo car.
You see the problem with trolls, especially one's who drive sorry *** STis is that they talk a lot and cannot factually prove anything. You type all this sh*t as if it is all factual when seriously there still isn't a whole lot we know about the EVO X other than the fact it will continue to be better than the STI and the way it will pretty much look like. So what happends if the EVO weighs 3300Lbs and makes 320hp+ will Sinister apologize for his misleading info? Nope, he'll just conitnue to troll and whine like a b*tch because he spent all this money on his STi and lags behind. Hey there is one thing I do like about the STi, they prove if you throw enough money into anything it can be fast, I seriously didn't think that could be possible with the STi. And when will all these fast times for 07 STi Limited start pouring in?
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sinister Subaru
1/4 time has nothing to do with horsepower. Trapspeed does.
Exactly, so the dyno #s he put down still dont mean **** cause a dyno can read high and be manipulated... Until he goes to the track and traps 113-115 for the power that car "supposedly" made, its nothing but just numbers
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
You see the problem with trolls, especially one's who drive sorry *** STis is that they talk a lot and cannot factually prove anything. You type all this sh*t as if it is all factual when seriously there still isn't a whole lot we know about the EVO X other than the fact it will continue to be better than the STI and the way it will pretty much look like. So what happends if the EVO weighs 3300Lbs and makes 320hp+ will Sinister apologize for his misleading info? Nope, he'll just conitnue to troll and whine like a b*tch because he spent all this money on his STi and lags behind. Hey there is one thing I do like about the STi, they prove if you throw enough money into anything it can be fast, I seriously didn't think that could be possible with the STi. And when will all these fast times for 07 STi Limited start pouring in?
Speaking of trollish behavior, thanks for proving my point! You've probably never even driven an STi/STI, yet you talk about how they suck. See, you talk about this info you supposedly know, but you've never owned a Subaru, so you have no factual information to base your claim on.

See, I've never owned a Ford, so I can't say whether they suck. But thanks for your ignorance! It's always fun to read!
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 3000ways
You see the problem with trolls, especially one's who drive sorry *** STis is that they talk a lot and cannot factually prove anything. You type all this sh*t as if it is all factual when seriously there still isn't a whole lot we know about the EVO X other than the fact it will continue to be better than the STI and the way it will pretty much look like. So what happends if the EVO weighs 3300Lbs and makes 320hp+ will Sinister apologize for his misleading info? Nope, he'll just conitnue to troll and whine like a b*tch because he spent all this money on his STi and lags behind. Hey there is one thing I do like about the STi, they prove if you throw enough money into anything it can be fast, I seriously didn't think that could be possible with the STi. And when will all these fast times for 07 STi Limited start pouring in?

PWNED!!!!!!!!!

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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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What are you talking about? Yes, I said those, but that's not all that I said. Relax and stop being a troll. You have no real facts to back up the idea that the Evo might be total garbage or the ultimate dream sedan and neither do the rest of us. Just give it up and wait until it comes out. What we are all trying say is that nobody knows anything about the new Evo and that's it. Are you that dense?
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Old Feb 13, 2007 | 11:45 AM
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How many time do have to get owned to admit defeat? Is okay to lose you know.
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