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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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I wasn't being defensive until I edited

There just isn't enough data to draw a logical explanation imo. I honestly don't see how that's even possible when going off all the other data out there. There must be more to the story, but there isn't a story to read.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
I'm not talking about how the car handles on the track. I'm asking where it's advantages are cropping up and adding to it's times.
Without any data logging and telemetry, nobody can answer this question.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
i think the S-AWC is a great display for the technology in the X, to success fully over come, on the disadvantage it gets from the weight - power - shape - size etc.

In the bigger picture , i think it makes it even more valuable. The fact an average Joe can drive the car competitive , let say vs. the 370Z.
Which is a big deal if you think about it.

The S-AWC benefits will be even more vivid when you actually start shaving weight and gain WHP.

The S-AWC will not drive the car for you , but certainly will help. The true driver car is in my definition:
when you dont have to fight with the car, you can smoothly work with it.
The JDM X's not that heavy, you know that =]

I definitely agree about the average driver thing, yea. Car's not driving for you, but it's def getting closer I'd say. Like I said, I think Mitsu is on it's way to developing a "perfect" full performance traction control system
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
I'm not talking about how the car handles on the track. I'm asking where it's advantages are cropping up and adding to it's times.
Again, there is no way to determine an answer to your question without more data and story. In the end I don't see how it's possible myself (speaking as a true racer). The STi is disadvantaged in every single area besides weight and power, but that usually doesn't make up a race... corners do.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
don't be so defensive. this is not a shootout - i'm comparing the times here. the sti, known for being an understeering so and so on the track, manages to average times very close to the Evo X (in all tests), despite its superior chassis, sayc/sawc, grippier tires? Interesting
The STi is also more powerful and weighs less. Understeer doesn't necessarily mean "slower through a turn."
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by migs647
Again, there is no way to determine an answer to your question without more data and story. In the end I don't see how it's possible myself (speaking as a true racer). The STi is disadvantaged in every single area besides weight and power, but that usually doesn't make up a race... corners do.
Exactly - I'm just saying I find it odd that in just about every single test, the STI is actually very close to the Evo, despite all the new sawc and sayc and 4wd wizadry. Yes, we don't know WHERE it is helping without telemetry, but we do know that it IS (or should be) helping. Yet the STI is still honestly quite close in the laptimes -
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:04 AM
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The STi is also more powerful and weighs less. Understeer doesn't necessarily mean "slower through a turn."
It is more powerful, but not by much.. I thought the X was actually very similar in terms of acceleration, especially the lighter JDM one
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
It is more powerful, but not by much.. I thought the X was actually very similar in terms of acceleration, especially the lighter JDM one
Who knows? They're clearly well matched cars in terms of performance. I don't think there is much more you can draw out of this discussion.
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Old Oct 1, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
The JDM X's not that heavy, you know that =]

I definitely agree about the average driver thing, yea. Car's not driving for you, but it's def getting closer I'd say. Like I said, I think Mitsu is on it's way to developing a "perfect" full performance traction control system
yeah i know. Just like the counter cars.
Mainly because as i stated before the lack of US spec crash beam and the almost empty trunk. Like no spear tires or tools. that is alone almost 100 LB
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Yup! A loyal friend, indeed.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by migs647
Best decision I ever made.
wow really? hmm i may have to rethink my car decision and go drive one
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by abazaba410
wow really? hmm i may have to rethink my car decision and go drive one
Of course you can't make a conclusion without driving one first. But a little words of wisdom. Push the car. See what it can really do before you make any decisions. It will blow your mind.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by migs647
Of course you can't make a conclusion without driving one first. But a little words of wisdom. Push the car. See what it can really do before you make any decisions. It will blow your mind.
It'll even blow you mind more after you have it tuned. The car really shines once you get that pig-rich factory tune fixed.
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Old Oct 27, 2009 | 09:00 AM
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It'll even blow you mind more after you have it tuned. The car really shines once you get that pig-rich factory tune fixed.
+1. Made my car 100 times better performance wise. It feels like my modded VIII did for power, with the handling of a X. Best of both worlds.
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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Id like to drive one but there are 0 FS near me. I have read alot of reviews and they all seem great. For around $25k I dont think I can get a better car. I am hoping to go to a dealership and drive the 1 2010 Evo X I found but I dont think they are going to let me.
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