Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
Try again and take a better look at the cars. This is starting to look a little pathetic.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said or even implied such a thing, but I did point to a number of logistical dead ends that make previously asserted comments moot.
Where does this happen? The only spot with Evos 1-10 seems to be immune from this.
We have the constant Evo 8/9 vs Evo X and everywhere else is the Evo 5/6 vs Evo 8/9 vs Evo X
Last edited by FJF; Nov 15, 2010 at 09:35 AM.
What I think someone needs to explain to the OP is that the Evo X being less "raw" (since we keep putting it in quotes) is not necessarily a bad thing. I like my STi because it is so much less raw than my old VIII and even less than the X.
OP: Think of it this way.
Go drive a race car (not a modified car to be a race car, a full on purpose built race car) and then drive your Evo. You'll notice your driving experience is "easier" and that you are less "in-touch" with the road, but also that it is quieter and much more comfortable. And if you don't... Well, then arguing why your car isn't as raw as the older generations is just stupid, because you obviously don't care.
Not being "as raw" doesn't mean it isn't "as fast." And you can certainly mod a car to make it more raw.
And yes, the older generations of the Evo are more raw. I've been in a IV before.
OP: Think of it this way.
Go drive a race car (not a modified car to be a race car, a full on purpose built race car) and then drive your Evo. You'll notice your driving experience is "easier" and that you are less "in-touch" with the road, but also that it is quieter and much more comfortable. And if you don't... Well, then arguing why your car isn't as raw as the older generations is just stupid, because you obviously don't care.
Not being "as raw" doesn't mean it isn't "as fast." And you can certainly mod a car to make it more raw.
And yes, the older generations of the Evo are more raw. I've been in a IV before.
This puts it well in place.....how connected you are to the car and what its doing.
The Xs may be seen as less raw, because of things like the S-AWC and AYC that start to take the driver out of the equation more. Its kinda like, how close are you to the edge of your seat when driving the car, how much are you worrying you are about to screw-up when you take a turn too hot?
I see it both cars have their advantages and disadvantages, just which do you prefer.
There is no describtion for raw in this case. Why ?
Because it is more of the personal opinios then facts. They called the X end of the Evo /rally/ era etc . Its all BS.
The X won numerous rally championships even in here and canada. The last WRC events the first 3 in PWRC is EVo X. SO on and so forth.
Alll these races , they were many older evos and with a much more refined set ups and deeper knowlidge, and still couldnt over come of the evo X. So so much for unworthy car to hold the Evo name.
I find most of the guys who call the EVO X not raw enough, they matbe a weekend track drivers if. Many of them never even sit in the X when it was driven or really pushed.
The Evo X is ugly part... i dont even go there.
All these infos and answeres you can find on the EvoX vs topic above.
Rob
Because it is more of the personal opinios then facts. They called the X end of the Evo /rally/ era etc . Its all BS.
The X won numerous rally championships even in here and canada. The last WRC events the first 3 in PWRC is EVo X. SO on and so forth.
Alll these races , they were many older evos and with a much more refined set ups and deeper knowlidge, and still couldnt over come of the evo X. So so much for unworthy car to hold the Evo name.
I find most of the guys who call the EVO X not raw enough, they matbe a weekend track drivers if. Many of them never even sit in the X when it was driven or really pushed.
The Evo X is ugly part... i dont even go there.
All these infos and answeres you can find on the EvoX vs topic above.
Rob
Last edited by Robevo RS; Nov 15, 2010 at 09:55 AM.
Keep in mind, this is all coming from a guy who drives a car significantly LESS raw than the Evo X.
They are, i remember reading how all the 5/6 guys aid they were the last real evos. Its just a generation thing. Evo drivers have the biggest egos of any other car group out there. Here in socal, evo drivers wont even come out to car meets unless they are "Evo Only" meets 
I guess they dont know better... Good thing not everywhere and level is a same ...
What I think someone needs to explain to the OP is that the Evo X being less "raw" (since we keep putting it in quotes) is not necessarily a bad thing. I like my STi because it is so much less raw than my old VIII and even less than the X.
OP: Think of it this way.
Go drive a race car (not a modified car to be a race car, a full on purpose built race car) and then drive your Evo. You'll notice your driving experience is "easier" and that you are less "in-touch" with the road, but also that it is quieter and much more comfortable. And if you don't... Well, then arguing why your car isn't as raw as the older generations is just stupid, because you obviously don't care.
Not being "as raw" doesn't mean it isn't "as fast." And you can certainly mod a car to make it more raw.
And yes, the older generations of the Evo are more raw. I've been in a IV before.
OP: Think of it this way.
Go drive a race car (not a modified car to be a race car, a full on purpose built race car) and then drive your Evo. You'll notice your driving experience is "easier" and that you are less "in-touch" with the road, but also that it is quieter and much more comfortable. And if you don't... Well, then arguing why your car isn't as raw as the older generations is just stupid, because you obviously don't care.
Not being "as raw" doesn't mean it isn't "as fast." And you can certainly mod a car to make it more raw.
And yes, the older generations of the Evo are more raw. I've been in a IV before.
This puts it well in place.....how connected you are to the car and what its doing.
The Xs may be seen as less raw, because of things like the S-AWC and AYC that start to take the driver out of the equation more. Its kinda like, how close are you to the edge of your seat when driving the car, how much are you worrying you are about to screw-up when you take a turn too hot?
I see it both cars have their advantages and disadvantages, just which do you prefer.
The Xs may be seen as less raw, because of things like the S-AWC and AYC that start to take the driver out of the equation more. Its kinda like, how close are you to the edge of your seat when driving the car, how much are you worrying you are about to screw-up when you take a turn too hot?
I see it both cars have their advantages and disadvantages, just which do you prefer.
Please read my above post. Your Evo X is probably a decent bit more raw than the factory ones, and probably even more raw than the VIII/IX, and possibly even the older models. There is a clear-cut, factual definition of "raw" in the case of driving experience.You of all people (being a race-car driver/owner) should understand the difference. Our fully race built (gutted/caged/etc) S2000 was at least 10 times more raw than my VIII.
Keep in mind, this is all coming from a guy who drives a car significantly LESS raw than the Evo X.
Keep in mind, this is all coming from a guy who drives a car significantly LESS raw than the Evo X.
So it is highly deppend on the trim what you get. I would say the IX MR is just as comfy for ride as a X GSR. So i dont find the IX MR more raw for driving then a X GSR.
But again it is more of the personal things, that is why i said there is no other describtion the "just because" for the raw in this case.
Here is my car interrior so as you said it is raw. LOL
Which can lead for more people of the feeling of the less raw.
About the steering feel and etc, i dont agree with, since everyone is agreed the X handles better. So then what? If it is handles better then should be more tossable there for more track oriented set up. So what is the raw then? No comfort or lesser track oriented engeneering? The X got a nice cloths on her like 7 airbags , chrome surranded lights etc. but dont be mistaken about her.
if you really look....
Last edited by Robevo RS; Nov 15, 2010 at 10:33 AM.
By virtue of rawness, the VI I drove wins because:
1) It weighed 311 pounds less than the IX we had onhand
2) It had no radio
3) Its suspension was tuned to the point of tailbone massacre.
So if we are comparing their raceworthiness based on that out of the box, 100% stock:
VI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IX >>> X
1) It weighed 311 pounds less than the IX we had onhand
2) It had no radio
3) Its suspension was tuned to the point of tailbone massacre.
So if we are comparing their raceworthiness based on that out of the box, 100% stock:
VI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IX >>> X
yes i know, and thanks for a kind reply. But i have to adress it. My 03 Evo 8 SSL was a better dd then my 08 EVoX GSR. I couldnt find the EVo 8 in this case more "raw "
So it is highly deppend on the trim what you get. I would say the IX MR is just as comfy for ride as a X GSR. So i dont find the IX MR more raw for driving then a X GSR.
But again it is more of the personal things, that is why i said there is no other describtion the "just because" for the raw in this case.
So it is highly deppend on the trim what you get. I would say the IX MR is just as comfy for ride as a X GSR. So i dont find the IX MR more raw for driving then a X GSR.
But again it is more of the personal things, that is why i said there is no other describtion the "just because" for the raw in this case.
How's that sound? If you had my grandma drive a stock/base 2003 8 (wasn't aware SSL was even offered in the 03... Unless it was late in the model year, I thought there were no options), a IX MR SE and a X GSR... I am guessing she'd like the comfort level of the X more than the other two.
Truth be told, CT9A have significantly better paint quality, and the paint layer is thicker. It's not even something that can be debated. This being said, no paint will ever take care of itself. In terms of interior materials' quality, the CT9A also featured an upgrade over the X. It's a shame, really, as there was really no reason to cover the X is hard, brittle plastics. FWIW, I really think Mitsu dropped the ball on this one.