Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
I'm always told how awesome the Xs are, but I never see them being competitive at events, either. I assumed it's due to them being pretty much "outlawed" because of AYC, but who knows?
The one I rode in, at an AX event did a really good job of rotating. It almost felt unnatural.. weird, but effective.
The one I rode in, at an AX event did a really good job of rotating. It almost felt unnatural.. weird, but effective.
it's not banned/outlawed. it's just a fancy diff that shuffles more power outside than a standard rear, combined with an excellent intelligent awd system. for solo at least, it doesn't make up for the weight. for track, it's a reliability issue. definitely helps the car rotate more for sure, but that's not everything. in ASP, the CT9A is allowed it's rear diff, and it is unstoppable in that class
it's not banned/outlawed. it's just a fancy diff that shuffles more power outside than a standard rear, combined with an excellent intelligent awd system. for solo at least, it doesn't make up for the weight. for track, it's a reliability issue. definitely helps the car rotate more for sure, but that's not everything. in ASP, the CT9A is allowed it's rear diff, and it is unstoppable in that class
the AYC is just as reliable as a stock rear LSD
in a AWD/ RWD car rear its actually everything, that is a whole purpose of the rear diff set up, proper/requierd rotation for the input the driver do.
you like it Kyoo or not stock vs stock the AYC stomp on the rear lsd.
So when you start modifying the gloves are off.
we all know that. You cant fairly compere the stock AYC to the beefed up aftermarket LSD. But even then very few would do better then the AYC. You need more mods and adjustments with the LSD swap to get close or be better then a stock set up with AYC. its a fact. You cant just swap the AYC to a stock rear diff or aftermarket one, and say , hey this works better. Because its not, you need supporting mods to make it better. so part for part the AYC is better.When you already have a CT9A and set it up for race and works, why would you change it for a new project which would be fairly equal or just slightly better then what you have? Specially if you are not a pro driver who living from racing.
But still Ryan Gates showed ( only one X was enough ) how good the platform is. Its too bad mostly the X is a show car in the states... That is basically sums the style and look also between the two
the worst part about this arguments , we already talked way over it. Evolution was a real name for this car.
Every single edition of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution was better then a previous one.
One way or the other.
The fact is a fact , you cant change that. Doesn't matter how much you try to not see the truth.
Its like a mom who thinks her son is the best and the cutest smartest etc. Nothing wrong with it, in fact I really do admire that.
But sooner or later have to realize it, its a mom love...
I had several Evos and like them equally, but end of the day the X really comes up on top.
I am not interested in AutoX or drag. If the CT9A is better on those as you said ill take it. But what I do and interested / the car made for, the X is a better car hands down. That argument is long gone. Now we all know that.
For me drag racing, and time attack - auto X - car show with the Evo, is like eating soup with a fork. You can do it , but why?
Kyoo , I think you would like this site
http://www.coordsport.com/blog/2012/...commendations/
Last edited by Robevo RS; Aug 27, 2016 at 08:39 AM.
The info is out there, just see which platform has dominated the type of racing you want to do. You can make nearly any car fast, but somethings (like chassis size/weight) are hard to change.
Summ this up in a funny way, you can make anything fast, only depends a mods and engineering to make it happen. lolololol
realistically if you are really into Auto X you need something small gokart like handling.
I would get something like this for autoX, now this must be fun
side note, if you combine slalom with some other tasks other then just running around cones, it does becomes actually fun to watch
Last edited by Robevo RS; Aug 27, 2016 at 09:37 AM.
I don't rally, so that one discipline doesn't really pertain to me. I know that in all other disciplines, the CT9A seems to do better than the CZ4A, for whatever reason. I.E. at the GTA Super Lap Battle, I don't believe one X placed. I don't even remember any running, but I could be wrong.
Seems if the X was better than the VIII/IX, them more people would use it.
Who knows? I'm just going by what I see at the track.
Seems if the X was better than the VIII/IX, them more people would use it.
Who knows? I'm just going by what I see at the track.
I don't rally, so that one discipline doesn't really pertain to me. I know that in all other disciplines, the CT9A seems to do better than the CZ4A, for whatever reason. I.E. at the GTA Super Lap Battle, I don't believe one X placed. I don't even remember any running, but I could be wrong.
Seems if the X was better than the VIII/IX, them more people would use it.
Who knows? I'm just going by what I see at the track.
Seems if the X was better than the VIII/IX, them more people would use it.
Who knows? I'm just going by what I see at the track.
I could believe that. It's definitely flat up front.
Last edited by kaj; Aug 27, 2016 at 07:28 PM.
actually it does.
the AYC is just as reliable as a stock rear LSD
in a AWD/ RWD car rear its actually everything, that is a whole purpose of the rear diff set up, proper/requierd rotation for the input the driver do.
you like it Kyoo or not stock vs stock the AYC stomp on the rear lsd.
So when you start modifying the gloves are off. we all know that. You cant fairly compere the stock AYC to the beefed up aftermarket LSD. But even then very few would do better then the AYC. You need more mods and adjustments with the LSD swap to get close or be better then a stock set up with AYC. its a fact. You cant just swap the AYC to a stock rear diff or aftermarket one, and say , hey this works better. Because its not, you need supporting mods to make it better. so part for part the AYC is better.
When you already have a CT9A and set it up for race and works, why would you change it for a new project which would be fairly equal or just slightly better then what you have? Specially if you are not a pro driver who living from racing.
But still Ryan Gates showed ( only one X was enough ) how good the platform is. Its too bad mostly the X is a show car in the states... That is basically sums the style and look also between the two
the worst part about this arguments , we already talked way over it. Evolution was a real name for this car.
Every single edition of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution was better then a previous one.
One way or the other.
The fact is a fact , you cant change that. Doesn't matter how much you try to not see the truth.
Its like a mom who thinks her son is the best and the cutest smartest etc. Nothing wrong with it, in fact I really do admire that.
But sooner or later have to realize it, its a mom love...
I had several Evos and like them equally, but end of the day the X really comes up on top.
I am not interested in AutoX or drag. If the CT9A is better on those as you said ill take it. But what I do and interested / the car made for, the X is a better car hands down. That argument is long gone. Now we all know that.
For me drag racing, and time attack - auto X - car show with the Evo, is like eating soup with a fork. You can do it , but why?
Kyoo , I think you would like this site
http://www.coordsport.com/blog/2012/...commendations/
the AYC is just as reliable as a stock rear LSD
in a AWD/ RWD car rear its actually everything, that is a whole purpose of the rear diff set up, proper/requierd rotation for the input the driver do.
you like it Kyoo or not stock vs stock the AYC stomp on the rear lsd.
So when you start modifying the gloves are off.
we all know that. You cant fairly compere the stock AYC to the beefed up aftermarket LSD. But even then very few would do better then the AYC. You need more mods and adjustments with the LSD swap to get close or be better then a stock set up with AYC. its a fact. You cant just swap the AYC to a stock rear diff or aftermarket one, and say , hey this works better. Because its not, you need supporting mods to make it better. so part for part the AYC is better.When you already have a CT9A and set it up for race and works, why would you change it for a new project which would be fairly equal or just slightly better then what you have? Specially if you are not a pro driver who living from racing.
But still Ryan Gates showed ( only one X was enough ) how good the platform is. Its too bad mostly the X is a show car in the states... That is basically sums the style and look also between the two
the worst part about this arguments , we already talked way over it. Evolution was a real name for this car.
Every single edition of the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution was better then a previous one.
One way or the other.
The fact is a fact , you cant change that. Doesn't matter how much you try to not see the truth.
Its like a mom who thinks her son is the best and the cutest smartest etc. Nothing wrong with it, in fact I really do admire that.
But sooner or later have to realize it, its a mom love...
I had several Evos and like them equally, but end of the day the X really comes up on top.
I am not interested in AutoX or drag. If the CT9A is better on those as you said ill take it. But what I do and interested / the car made for, the X is a better car hands down. That argument is long gone. Now we all know that.
For me drag racing, and time attack - auto X - car show with the Evo, is like eating soup with a fork. You can do it , but why?
Kyoo , I think you would like this site
http://www.coordsport.com/blog/2012/...commendations/
yes, stock for stock, the AYC is of course better than the stock mechanical rear in the CT9As in the USA. However, I think it is misleading to say it's more reliable.
You mention a little about modifications, but you say for "modest" power levels, there is nothing better than AYC, right? So the X is already got the best rear set up it can, but the CT9A does not - and actually slapping on a rear diff all by itself hugely improves it.
Add onto that the ACD tune, and my car pitches and yaws incredibly - it can get big degrees of yaw that I can't even believe the car doesn't spin sometimes. Obviously a lot of that is dependent on suspension set up etc., but the effect is incredible. It's actually very similar to how Xs behave, even with the mechanical rear. The ACD tune does huge things for corner entry, mid corner, and corner exit - and obviously with the mechanical rear diff CT9As can get huge power oversteer, increasing the explosing corner exit ability of our AWD systems. If you do an ACD tune on the X, it disables the AYC - which is already the best it can have.
All of Gates' records (he went with a Cusco mechanical rear diff) were broken by boomn929 the following year in a CT9A (with modified rear LSD). These days though, Xs are almost non existent in track & autox. you may not enjoy autox, but it is the fastest growing gentlemens motorsport in the USA. Every year, nationals (Labor day week) breaks the attendance record.
As far as rally goes though - I take your word for it
I run Evo with AYC, TME RS LHD. 16 years later, 395 whp Mustang, its as good as the day it was brand new!
I am actually installing Evo X AYC Diff (bolt in) because the Super AYC that came in Evo 7 and up has 80% more torque vectoring. So 1.8 times my present torque vectoring.
I do have Evo with ACD too, and RS rear diff (US model obviously) built to Ralliart spec.
For track all out lap-time run RS diff with lots of power (my EFR8374 on 2.3 stroker) via ACD for sure may achieve results.
But drive an unknown road from San Francisco to Los Angeles at 8/10ths on NT01 and AYC is pure magic: MAGIC. It allows minimal understeer occasionally- when you wish you had it- any other time its tail gently out rotating on corner entry and exit, yet never spinning even when you overcook the corner and are scrubbing speed sideways- on public road you never drove before.
I know Rob knows, because as much as he lives here, he has enjoyed these cars in competition and has driven them in Rest of the World spec to know what magic AYC does.
Most JDM TA Evos run AYC...its not clear cut even at 600-700bhp if RS or AYC will make the best lap.
But road Evo, sub 500-600whp, AYC is amazing.
In WRC Gr N/R4 Evo X rules while Evo 9 has proven virtual equal.
So X chassis is impressive in spite of additional girth.
I am actually installing Evo X AYC Diff (bolt in) because the Super AYC that came in Evo 7 and up has 80% more torque vectoring. So 1.8 times my present torque vectoring.
I do have Evo with ACD too, and RS rear diff (US model obviously) built to Ralliart spec.
For track all out lap-time run RS diff with lots of power (my EFR8374 on 2.3 stroker) via ACD for sure may achieve results.
But drive an unknown road from San Francisco to Los Angeles at 8/10ths on NT01 and AYC is pure magic: MAGIC. It allows minimal understeer occasionally- when you wish you had it- any other time its tail gently out rotating on corner entry and exit, yet never spinning even when you overcook the corner and are scrubbing speed sideways- on public road you never drove before.
I know Rob knows, because as much as he lives here, he has enjoyed these cars in competition and has driven them in Rest of the World spec to know what magic AYC does.
Most JDM TA Evos run AYC...its not clear cut even at 600-700bhp if RS or AYC will make the best lap.
But road Evo, sub 500-600whp, AYC is amazing.
In WRC Gr N/R4 Evo X rules while Evo 9 has proven virtual equal.
So X chassis is impressive in spite of additional girth.
I don't drive 8/10 on public roads nor rally, so that could be why an not in the know of how the X is better.
So that's two places the X is better than an VIII/IX. Anyone else?
So that's two places the X is better than an VIII/IX. Anyone else?
Heh, I can't believe this thread is still banging. End of the day it's splitting hairs, no matter the event. Loved all my Evos, they are all strong in certain areas, but again splitting hairs. I prefer the CZ4A chassis, but I loved my wife's IX MR SE. Just drive your damn Evo and be happy you're driving one, no matter the chassis. 
^ No, let the madness continue hahaha
I like the IX, had a few chances to get the X but couldn't pass up on the IX. Just looking at it tugs at my heart strings way more than a X when I see it on the street, but thats just me
I like the IX, had a few chances to get the X but couldn't pass up on the IX. Just looking at it tugs at my heart strings way more than a X when I see it on the street, but thats just me
(Think it's time for new emojis after 10+ years eh?)