^ And even with launch control off, the GT-R can still hit 60 in around 4 seconds flat.

 

The GTR is certainly an impressive performance machine, but lacks soul. Seems like it would boring to drive considering it shifts automatically and lets the computer adjust everything so that even an amateur could pull off amazing lap times. Not to mention it shares its engine not with a vacuum cleaner.

It just takes something out of the experience when you know the car doesn't need you at all. I don't buy my cars so they can drive themselves. I buy them so I can have fun.

 

I wonder why we have these comparisons....most people that can afford a gt-r.....has money. The evo is a great car....but some of you make it out to be some sort of vehicle touched by the hand of God.

 

Evo's around the world outside of the US have AYC, so...

 

This whole debate about the GT-R being soulless has got me thinking, at what point does a high-tech car lack soul?

Speaking only in terms of U.S.-spec cars, let's look at a few examples. Seeing how this is an Evo forum, many of us own VIIIs and IXs. Our cars are relatively easy to drive fast, with its front and rear LSDs and ACD doing its thing to get us around corners without much drama. Despite being over 200 pounds heavier, the X takes it up a notch with S-AYC but still gets christened as being more fun to drive compared to previous U.S. Evos, despite it actually having enhanced cornering abilities with even less drama than before. But when the GT-R hits with only an active center LSD (but a mechanical rear LSD, unlike previous GT-Rs) while handling better than any other nose-heavy AWD car on our soil has ever handled (producing amazing performance with virtually no drama), it becomes branded as soulless and boring? Where is the line drawn?

 

The same can be said for the Evo especially ones with AYC. Does that mean your Evo lacks soul?

 

So does that mean it has more "soul" than an Evo X? This "soul" thing is bull****. I hate opinions like this. What about drive a Lotus Elise. According to that guys reasoning it has a **** tonne of "soul."

 

Very true. This post applies to a lot of threads, not just this one. I think Evo could do it though with enough money but that could apply to a lot of cars.

 

If the idea of "soul" is the characteristics of a car that may require its drivers to take time to learn it, control it, tame it and obtain a sense of achievement from it, then I can understand how electronics assistance can hamper the soul. The difficulties/level-of-skills-required is what makes muscle car lovers swear by muscle cars, Honda owners by their cars, AE86 owners by their sorry-*** 24 year old cars... etc. Unfortunately, the majority of the population aren't competent drivers, thus the requirement of electronic equipments to make the cars more forgiving to sudden swerving, slamming the brakes, putting on make-up, talking on the cellphone... etc. and thus arguably removing the fun of taming the beasts under the hood. But that's just how supply and demand works.

With that said, I wouldn't draw any conclusion regarding a Skyline GTR without personally experiencing it first.

 

What are you talking about? I didn't even form an opinion, I was just asking other people's opinions.

 

I think these cars are two different platforms and hard to compare unless your talking DD or light track comparisons. One is a Rally bred car and the other a GT class car.

As far as comparing on the Nurburgring ring well there is no comparison there. Even modded Evo's times aren't close to a stock GT-R.

On a track stock vs stock the GT-R wins in every category but then it is twice the price!

What most seem to be using as a performance benchmark here is Drag racing and that IMO is where a modded Evo has and always will have an advantage. The GT-R in it's current configuration is just to heavy and will never be a good platform to build a drag car unless it is stripped down to a point that it is no longer resembles a stock GT-R and even then there are better platforms out there that would be much better for drag racing.

As the owner of a AMS 700+whp Evo I can attest to the fact that even the Evo which is a much better platform for a drag car than the GT-R is still not what it was meant for and the more it is modded and the closer it gets to the edge the farther it gets from being a reliable good daily driver and anyone that owns or builds a highly modded Evo will tell you this. This is basic, it is a 4 cylinder and when you take it to the point where you are asking it to produce 3 times it's stock HP of let's say where my car was at ( I say was because it was recently stolen You loose a lot as far as streetability and longevity of many of the components such as the engine for example which would have a much shorter life span that a stocker would. You except this of course when you mod.

Bottom line is if I wanted a good daily driver that I could take to a road course and take a few laps or a drag strip for a few passes once in a while and have some fun either one of these two cars STOCK would be a great choice. Although the GT-R would surpass the Evo in most areas of performance and DD the GT-R is also twice the price of the Evo. It is just a matter of $$ and what you perfer to drive IMO.

 

The OP's question gets asked so often on every forum about thousands of different car comparisons. Z06 vs Evo, GT3 vs Viper, Mustang vs SRT4, and on and on. There's a guy on a Civic forum right now asking other members if he can make his Si faster than your Evo. The answer is yes. The best quarter mile time for a Civic (last time I looked) was very low 8's. You would not want to drive that Civic on a daily basis though (bicycle tires on the back, gutted cabin etc.).
The best way to compare cars is to compare them stock and in the category that matters to you the most. As has been said, you can throw a ton of money into a shoebox on wheels and blow away a Z06 at the dragstrip if you want. Try to use your shoebox for daily driving and you will be pretty miserable as you fly past the Z06 owner who is blaring music on his nice stereo and blowing tons of cold AC into the cabin. His suspension and seating setup will not be breaking every bone in his body and when you get to a corner he/she will laugh as you slow down to take it at 10mph.
You can purpose build anything to do anything but you will never get your money back out of the car. The value of the $70,000 GTR will depreciate based upon the original 70k price tag. The value of your $35,000 Evo + $20,000 in mods will depreciate based upon the original value of the unmodified car.
If you want to mod a car for a purpose, do it. Goals like 11 sec quarter mile or 7:55 around the Ring are attainable. Goals like beat a GTR or kill a Z06 are possible but don't last long. Remember that the guy that was able to afford the $70,000 car can probably afford to throw another 30k into his vehicle and embarass you next time.

 

I was talking about TheBlueBlur's opinion. That part was not directed towards you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.