Focus RS
Sounds like you need a better relationship with your dealer, or to find a different dealer. Warranty work is bread and butter for a dealership; guaranteed payment (assuming its approved work), no one ever argues about having something covered under warranty, and a lot of times its money they would not see otherwise. Its in their best interest to cover as many warranty claims as possible, it keeps the customer happy and puts money in their pockets.
Having worked as a service manager at a power sports shop, we never turned down warranty work. Sure there were times that we had to deny a claim because the manufacturer turned it down, but we always fought for the customer, and NEVER turned down the claim ourselves.
I've received help from my GM dealer several times on items that could likely have been turned down, help from my Ford dealer with a few small things that could have easily been denied, and most recently help from my Mitsu dealer.
Having worked as a service manager at a power sports shop, we never turned down warranty work. Sure there were times that we had to deny a claim because the manufacturer turned it down, but we always fought for the customer, and NEVER turned down the claim ourselves.
I've received help from my GM dealer several times on items that could likely have been turned down, help from my Ford dealer with a few small things that could have easily been denied, and most recently help from my Mitsu dealer.
It *does* make sense to find a good dealer and have a relationship with them. They might turn a blind eye to small mods or obvious signs of track use. But that's still no guarantee they'll do work for you.
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valid if local dealer wants to make money at fords expense. manufactures dont make money paying bogus warranty claims.
I for one am very tired of stupid americans who want to buy a car , modify it, abuse the crap out of it, break it. return car to stock in an attempt to play stupid, then complain when its not covered under warranty when it clearly shouldnt be.
this is for sure a good reason most manufactures dont build high performance cars on a whole. because of all the money they loose on bogus warranty work.
I for one am very tired of stupid americans who want to buy a car , modify it, abuse the crap out of it, break it. return car to stock in an attempt to play stupid, then complain when its not covered under warranty when it clearly shouldnt be.
this is for sure a good reason most manufactures dont build high performance cars on a whole. because of all the money they loose on bogus warranty work.
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Highlighted the only thing relevant from your post. Yes the dealer wants to do the work, but they don't make the call, especially if it's something significant.
It *does* make sense to find a good dealer and have a relationship with them. They might turn a blind eye to small mods or obvious signs of track use. But that's still no guarantee they'll do work for you.
It *does* make sense to find a good dealer and have a relationship with them. They might turn a blind eye to small mods or obvious signs of track use. But that's still no guarantee they'll do work for you.
A good dealership will not look for any reason to flake on the warranty; a good dealership will look at the issue objectively and do whatever they can to take care of the customer if a LEGITIMATE claim can be made.
And it's all a moot point if the manufacturer (the regional rep, really) denies the claim. Which they like to when you bring in a modded/tracked car. The experience of thousands of owners on this site and countless others tells us that.
It's the dealer that is the one telling the owner of the car "tough luck", so they get the blame, even if the dealer thinks it should be fixed under warranty.
It's the dealer that is the one telling the owner of the car "tough luck", so they get the blame, even if the dealer thinks it should be fixed under warranty.
Okay, fine. Then Ford will do what they can to not pay. Paying dealerships to do warranty work is not profitable. As mentioned by someone above, it's not unheard of for them to come up with ridiculous reasons to deny a claim.
It's the dealer that is the one telling the owner of the car "tough luck", so they get the blame, even if the dealer thinks it should be fixed under warranty
Last edited by kaj; Feb 20, 2015 at 12:15 PM.
Pininfarina "ruined it" ....
http://www.pininfarina.com/en/compan...s_and_partners
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UPDATED - The brand new Focus RS is official, here is what we know
Hot hatches don’t come more eagerly anticipated than a new Ford RS model and the new Focus RS is no exception. Speculation has been rife, but we can now reveal that the third generation Focus RS will have four-wheel drive, five doors, the engine from the latest Mustang (no, not the V8) and the option of cup tyres.
More and more information will no doubt emerge in the coming days, weeks and months so keep checking back, but for the moment everything that we know is detailed below.
Engine
Ford has been irritatingly coy about the New RS’s power and torque figures, merely saying ‘well in excess of 320PS’ and stipulating a rev limit of 6800rpm. Given that the previous generation’s run-out RS500 version had 345bhp we’d be very surprised if the new RS was punching out anything less than 350bhp.
The engine is essentially the 2.3-litre, four-cylinder EcoBoost unit that we will see in the Mustang when it arrives over here. However, in order to withstand higher temperatures, the alloy for the cylinder head has been upgraded along with the head gasket and the block has stronger high-tensile cast iron liners.
The turbo has also been switched in the RS for a new low-inertia twin-scroll item, while a bigger intercooler sits prominently behind the almost invisibly fine mesh of the lower front grille. Auto stop/start will also feature and the CO2 emissions are said to be down by about 20 percent compared to the previous Focus RS.
Gearbox
Six speed manual with a shorter lever than that of the ST. The clutch and transmission have been uprated to cope with the higher levels of torque.
Chassis
Two eye-catching features set to be included on the new RS are a 'drift button' and launch control. The latter is nothing new, but confirms the fast Focus will posses massive bite off of the line. The former isn't something we've seen before however, and suggestions hint that pressing the button allows large amounts of controlled wheelspin, enabling drifts.
The springs, bushes and anti-roll bars are all stiffer than the Focus ST and there will be two-mode switchable dampers, with the firmer setting being very much track-biased. Ford is renowned for its steering and the RS will get specially tuned electric power assistance, as well as more rigid front suspension knuckles and shorter link arms.
Perhaps the biggest statement of intent from Ford Performance, is that as an official option the 19inch wheels can be clad in Michelin’s Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. As standard they will be wrapped in Pilot Super Sports.
As with some much else about this car, the specifics of the four-wheel drive system are still rather sketchy. However, we do know that there is proper torque vectoring at the rear axle. The Four-wheel-drive system consists of two electronically controlled clutch packs either side of a ‘Rear Drive Unit’.
The first clutch pack looks after the torque distribution between front and rear axles. Up to 70 per cent of the torque can be administered to the rear and up to 100 per cent of that drive can then be directed to either rear wheel by the second clutch pack. As part of the ESP there is also a brake-based Torque Vectoring Control System, which works in parallel with the torque vectoring. Ford boasts of lateral grip exceeding 1 g but also about the ability to achieve ‘controlled oversteer drifts’ on the track, which sounds promising.
Brakes
We could see that they were large, vented, but not drilled Brembo items. We would guess at about 375mm for the diameter of the front discs.
Performance
No official performance figures yet, but you’d have to expect a 0-60mph time of under 5 seconds.
Price and Release date
This will be the first RS to be sold globally, including North America, China and Australia. Again, there’s no official word on price, but we’re expecting it to be less than £30,000 in the UK, which would pitch it squarely against the Golf R.
UPDATED - The brand new Focus RS is official, here is what we know
Hot hatches don’t come more eagerly anticipated than a new Ford RS model and the new Focus RS is no exception. Speculation has been rife, but we can now reveal that the third generation Focus RS will have four-wheel drive, five doors, the engine from the latest Mustang (no, not the V8) and the option of cup tyres.
More and more information will no doubt emerge in the coming days, weeks and months so keep checking back, but for the moment everything that we know is detailed below.
Engine
Ford has been irritatingly coy about the New RS’s power and torque figures, merely saying ‘well in excess of 320PS’ and stipulating a rev limit of 6800rpm. Given that the previous generation’s run-out RS500 version had 345bhp we’d be very surprised if the new RS was punching out anything less than 350bhp.
The engine is essentially the 2.3-litre, four-cylinder EcoBoost unit that we will see in the Mustang when it arrives over here. However, in order to withstand higher temperatures, the alloy for the cylinder head has been upgraded along with the head gasket and the block has stronger high-tensile cast iron liners.
The turbo has also been switched in the RS for a new low-inertia twin-scroll item, while a bigger intercooler sits prominently behind the almost invisibly fine mesh of the lower front grille. Auto stop/start will also feature and the CO2 emissions are said to be down by about 20 percent compared to the previous Focus RS.
Gearbox
Six speed manual with a shorter lever than that of the ST. The clutch and transmission have been uprated to cope with the higher levels of torque.
Chassis
Two eye-catching features set to be included on the new RS are a 'drift button' and launch control. The latter is nothing new, but confirms the fast Focus will posses massive bite off of the line. The former isn't something we've seen before however, and suggestions hint that pressing the button allows large amounts of controlled wheelspin, enabling drifts.
The springs, bushes and anti-roll bars are all stiffer than the Focus ST and there will be two-mode switchable dampers, with the firmer setting being very much track-biased. Ford is renowned for its steering and the RS will get specially tuned electric power assistance, as well as more rigid front suspension knuckles and shorter link arms.
Perhaps the biggest statement of intent from Ford Performance, is that as an official option the 19inch wheels can be clad in Michelin’s Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres. As standard they will be wrapped in Pilot Super Sports.
As with some much else about this car, the specifics of the four-wheel drive system are still rather sketchy. However, we do know that there is proper torque vectoring at the rear axle. The Four-wheel-drive system consists of two electronically controlled clutch packs either side of a ‘Rear Drive Unit’.
The first clutch pack looks after the torque distribution between front and rear axles. Up to 70 per cent of the torque can be administered to the rear and up to 100 per cent of that drive can then be directed to either rear wheel by the second clutch pack. As part of the ESP there is also a brake-based Torque Vectoring Control System, which works in parallel with the torque vectoring. Ford boasts of lateral grip exceeding 1 g but also about the ability to achieve ‘controlled oversteer drifts’ on the track, which sounds promising.
Brakes
We could see that they were large, vented, but not drilled Brembo items. We would guess at about 375mm for the diameter of the front discs.
Performance
No official performance figures yet, but you’d have to expect a 0-60mph time of under 5 seconds.
Price and Release date
This will be the first RS to be sold globally, including North America, China and Australia. Again, there’s no official word on price, but we’re expecting it to be less than £30,000 in the UK, which would pitch it squarely against the Golf R.
Seriously? That exact information was posted a month ago.
Here is some news from the Geneva auto show today, but nothing really new yet:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fo...otor-show-2015
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2016-...s-geneva-2015/
Here is some news from the Geneva auto show today, but nothing really new yet:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fo...otor-show-2015
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2016-...s-geneva-2015/
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maybe the reason that ford is mum on power/torque is that they are still sorting it out. can't help but hope that they are going to try to beat mercedes 350 hp record. seems odd that they mention a more heat resistant alloy for the head when the ecoboost mustang makes 310 hp and is being pitched as a viable track machine. why bother with a better alloy unless going after serious gains?
Its a great looking car and I am happy Ford is making it. I hope its a success so maybe they make an awd Fiesta RS too.
Interesting that they say the awd system on adds 20kg (~44lbs) to the car. Hopefully the cars final curb weight is south of 3300lbs.
Also interesting that they list Recaro sports seats as standard, and Recaro bucket seats as an option.
Interesting that they say the awd system on adds 20kg (~44lbs) to the car. Hopefully the cars final curb weight is south of 3300lbs.
Also interesting that they list Recaro sports seats as standard, and Recaro bucket seats as an option.