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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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Maybe, I can't get a clear look at the rears in any of the photos. If you watch the end of this video, there's a hint of blue in the wheel area that suggests a caliper matching the front, but it might just be a reflection, or a steel caliper painted to match.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/02/2...rk-2015-video/
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 10:53 AM
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The rear brakes aren't Brembo.
I think he may be correct. Press releases reference ... as well as most powerful RS brake system with "Brembo front calipers" https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...obal-debut.pdf https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-new-york.html

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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 11:07 AM
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In the video a few posts up the rears are just blue steel calipers. Ford even had steel calipers on the GT500 a few years back.

The car in the video might be pre production model though.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 12:14 PM
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A good amount of cars only have the front brembos now with regular calipers in the rear. If the caliper and rotor are large enough it doesn't matter.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
A good amount of cars only have the front brembos now with regular calipers in the rear. If the caliper and rotor are large enough it doesn't matter.
Maybe it doesn't matter to you. But I would rather have Brembos on all 4 corners. Either that or make the Brembos optional. That way I could choose my own big brake kit.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 12:29 PM
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70% stopping power from the front brakes?
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Maybe it doesn't matter to you. But I would rather have Brembos on all 4 corners. Either that or make the Brembos optional. That way I could choose my own big brake kit.
I could deal with it. Sure, mismatched calipers are aesthetically unappealing, but why pay more (you know dealer pricing) if a regular caliper will do the job?
Keeping in mind this is not a race car, of course.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 01:08 PM
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Brembo is just a name. There's no magic in their brake systems. If the system works and can be sourced at a price that jives with the price of the car, why worry about the name on the caliper?
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Maybe it doesn't matter to you. But I would rather have Brembos on all 4 corners. Either that or make the Brembos optional. That way I could choose my own big brake kit.
Visually it very much matters to me. I would rather have a visually balanced system with brembos front and rear.

I was stating it doesn't really matter much in a performance aspect.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 01:23 PM
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It looks better, but the lack of rear Brembos wouldn't stop me from buying the car.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Brembo is just a name. There's no magic in their brake systems.
Millions of dollars in R&D to the contrary. P.S. Not all brakes are created equal.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Millions of dollars in R&D to the contrary. P.S. Not all brakes are created equal.


My cousin has an '11 mustang gt with brembo fronts, and the single piston ford caliper in the rear with the larger rear rotors from the GT500. The brakes work awesome on a 3700lb car with EBC blue stuff pads up front, and yellow in the rear. Do not mistake OEM fitment brembos for true race calipers, they are not the same. Ford probably didn't feel the 2 piston rear brembo had a big enough increase in clamping force to justify using it..


There really is no secret to brakes. Its all about making the caliper both rigid, and light, using/testing new materials along the way. And the OEM brembo stuff is FAR from light. The wizardry and true innovation comes in when spec'ing pad compound.

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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Millions of dollars in marketing to the contrary. P.S. Not all brakes are created equal.
Fixed.

Agree that not all brakes are equal. But there is nothing magic about brake/caliper/pad design that Brembo uniquely owns. To the extent that Brembos are "better", it's that they tend to overengineer the systems to deal with track duty. Also, they get painted and have a big logo on them, so they look... different. But none of these things is unique to Brembo. For a hot hatch, I want Ford putting the best value parts on the car, not the brand names, unless that brand name offers value.

In the case of rear brakes, which don't do a lot in the first place, saving money means it can be allocated to something else (suspension, engine, lightweight materials, seats, whatever...). Given what we know of the AWD system, and the demands that will be placed on the front brakes, it's good they're putting money there.

If you really want red brake calipers, caliper paint is cheap.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Fixed.

Agree that not all brakes are equal. But there is nothing magic about brake/caliper/pad design that Brembo uniquely owns. To the extent that Brembos are "better", it's that they tend to overengineer the systems to deal with track duty. Also, they get painted and have a big logo on them, so they look... different. But none of these things is unique to Brembo. For a hot hatch, I want Ford putting the best value parts on the car, not the brand names, unless that brand name offers value.

In the case of rear brakes, which don't do a lot in the first place, saving money means it can be allocated to something else (suspension, engine, lightweight materials, seats, whatever...). Given what we know of the AWD system, and the demands that will be placed on the front brakes, it's good they're putting money there.

If you really want red brake calipers, caliper paint is cheap.
This. I like Brembos but that's largely for their aesthetics and ease of pad replacement. Given that the majority of your braking is done by the front, I don't think non-Brembos in the rear is a disadvantage.
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Old Apr 3, 2015 | 03:03 PM
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The bean counters win again. They have somehow convinced you that Ford steel rear brakes are just as good without even trying. Guess all the manufacturers that chose to go with brembos front and rear got it wrong.

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