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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 06:41 PM
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I still have not heard why anyone thinks the RS will be a great car.

Racing pedigree? No.
Light weight? No.
Full time awd? No.
Impressive Nürburgring time? No.

Drift button? Yes. Ah that must be it.
Cause you've been too busy telling everyone why you think it won't be a good car.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I still have not heard why anyone thinks the RS will be a great car.

Racing pedigree? No.
Light weight? No.
Full time awd? No.
Impressive Nürburgring time? No.

Drift button? Yes. Ah that must be it.
how can you miss it? it's all over 130 pages of internet.

not EVERYONE needs the RS to be full-blown race car to be "good car".

A/C? yes
all-wheel drive? yes
comfortable seats? yes
plenty of power to get out of it's own way? yes
warranty? yes

need i go on?
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 07:17 PM
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
not EVERYONE needs the RS to be full-blown race car to be "good car".
I asked what, if anything, people think will make the RS great. You describe what it takes to be a decent daily driver. If I want to go to the store, there are like 1000 cars better suited for that than the RS.

I thought we were talking about "performance" cars.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I am talking stock production cars. CTR vs. RS Nürburgring times. There will undoubtedly be independent head to head testing.

I bet the CTR wins. You seem to be an RS fan, want to take that bet?
You've brought this up 2, if not 3 times in this thread. Then you ignore everything written after you post it.

CTR ran the ring in March.

In June, the administration of the Nurburgring banned manufacturers from doing and advertising time laps. They can still test but they're not allowed to say "our car ran a 7:50 lap" any more.

Also, and I said this last time, the 'Ring is inherently well suited to a FWD car beating an AWD car. Most of the turns are wide open sweepers, so there's no gain from the AWD.

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Why do I imagine nemsin is the guy at track days with the full Ralliart jacket and hat with Mitsubishi Motorsports and Makinen stickers on his car, but who also makes fun of the Corvette guys wearing Corvette flag hats and Jake Skull racing jackets, all while talking about Mitsubishi "Spirit of Competition" Motorsports all day long to anybody who will listen?


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Probably cause of the steel control arms.


Originally Posted by kaj
And corvettes have....LEAF SPRINGS!
Ah, one of my favorite topics. The transverse leaf springs in the 'Vette were genius. Great roll control without requiring a lot of height. Pretty sure the C6 and C7 use all carbon fiber leafs.

But I'll let nemsin tell us how the Evo X's MacPherson struts are world beating design.

Originally Posted by nemsin
I still have not heard why anyone thinks the RS will be a great car.

Racing pedigree? No.
Light weight? No.
Full time awd? No.
Impressive Nürburgring time? No.

Drift button? Yes. Ah that must be it.
The Focus ST is a great FWD hatch.

The Focus RS adds more torques and AWD. That's a promising start.


We'll probably never see another car like the CT9A Evos in terms of tuning or performance upside. There's too much competition, manufacturers aren't going to leave so much on the table.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I asked what, if anything, people think will make the RS great. You describe what it takes to be a decent daily driver. If I want to go to the store, there are like 1000 cars better suited for that than the RS.

I thought we were talking about "performance" cars.
And those are the things that can make it great because, unlike most cars, it has the potential based on its specs to do all the things people like myself want in a daily driver very well, rather than a few things very well and some things very poorly. That's what I grew to dislike about my STI. It was very quick, had tons of grip, and could be taken to the track and driven home without a problem, but it was uncomfortable on long trips, had terrible mileage and little creature comforts.

The RS could be a great car, for me. If you don't like it, fine, don't buy it. You're ****ting in the punch bowl right now, though.
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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 09:19 PM
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This thread in one meme:

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Old Jan 3, 2016 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I asked what, if anything, people think will make the RS great. You describe what it takes to be a decent daily driver. If I want to go to the store, there are like 1000 cars better suited for that than the RS.

I thought we were talking about "performance" cars.
I'm beginning to think there are no "right"things to say to you. What, exactly, are you wanting people to say? I'm not being facetious, just curious because you argue every point anyone makes.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 05:09 AM
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And those are the things that can make it great because, unlike most cars, it has the potential based on its specs to do all the things people like myself want in a daily driver very well, rather than a few things very well and some things very poorly. That's what I grew to dislike about my STI. It was very quick, had tons of grip, and could be taken to the track and driven home without a problem, but it was uncomfortable on long trips, had terrible mileage and little creature comforts.

The RS could be a great car, for me. If you don't like it, fine, don't buy it. You're ****ting in the punch bowl right now, though.
I thought that the wrx and Sti interior and creature comforts were much better than Mitsubishis but to each his own I guess.

I did lots of long trips in both and would definitely say its preferred for me over the evo 8/9 and about par with the X.

The RS will be cheap in a few years then we can all have some fun.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 08:05 AM
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I read in several articles that the RS would be available to drive in January. Where the reviews at?
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
I'm beginning to think there are no "right"things to say to you. What, exactly, are you wanting people to say? I'm not being facetious, just curious because you argue every point anyone makes.
I do not like the RS, I openly admit that. I think Ford played it too safe. I also think the Evo will be a better performance platform and have explained why I believe that.

I then asked people that do like it, to explain why. I guess I should have clarified, why do people think it will be a good "performance" car?
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I do not like the RS, I openly admit that. I think Ford played it too safe. I also think the Evo will be a better performance platform and have explained why I believe that.

I then asked people that do like it, to explain why. I guess I should have clarified, why do people think it will be a good "performance" car?
If ford tried to sell a stripped out **** box to make you happy, people like you would be the only to buy the car. And they would lose a lot of FoRS sales to the Mustang. 99% of people that walk into a dealership aren't looking for a car like the Evo. They're looking for a car that is fun to drive with good power, creature comforts, and (maybe) good handling and brakes. Hell, with how big drag racing is for Evo's, one could argue a lot Evo buyers didn't even care that much about the handling.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
I guess I should have clarified, why do people think it will be a good "performance" car?
People have already stated why they think so. As usual, you choose not to listen.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 10:17 AM
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People have already stated why they think so. As usual, you choose not to listen.
There are plenty of people in this thread who have not weighed in. I have read the responses so far. Try again.
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Old Jan 4, 2016 | 10:19 AM
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I can't say whether or not I like it. Their have been no third part reviews for people who have actually driven the car. I do like the looks though.
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