I posted reasons I thought the Evo was going to be the better car. I am free to have my opinion.

Would you prefer this thread just be for fanboys? Here I will give it a go for you.

Focus RS is going to be amazing! Did you see Ken Block hooning in the rain! Focus RS is #1!

 

Nobody is saying that, at all. The problem is that you aren't seeing what we are saying, but choosing to see what you want and deflecting everything else. You are quick to reference data to try and validate your points, but as soon as anybody else does the same, you deflect or ignore. It's insanity.

Please, please please, please stop deflecting everything. Please?

 

Drift Button = Focus RS > your car

 

Calling it your opinion doesn't shield it from criticism. You've said things that are objectively incorrect.

 

Since Mr. Troll Nemsin just keeps ignoring my posts, my participation is no longer fun.

/me goes back to the shadows.

 

I don't think you understand how opinions work. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

 

I know what an opinion is, but apparently you don't. You cannot have an opinion on objective issues of fact. Calling a factually incorrect statement your opinion doesn't make it any less wrong.

 

Please quote the statement I previously made which you believe is factually incorrect and provide proof of its falsity.

 

Others already have, man. The premises used for your conclusion are also logically unsound, something you've duly ignored.

 

There's a guy over at the RS Forum that's tracking build dates and it looks like mine will be built in the second or third week of January. I have no idea when it will be delivered. I looked at the track much more extensively last night, and I'm really impressed. The dual mode dampers on the RS are extremely tight in the Track Mode. So much so that Ford says they are only suitable for the "smoothest" of track surfaces. It looks like The Ridge might qualify. That, and the track layout look like they were made for the RS. I'll stay in touch and see if we can make a day of it. Who knows...might even make a believer out of you.

 

I would love to step out of an RS thinking I have to have one. But I am probably too stuck in my analog ways. What matters though is that you love it.

 

looks awesome!

 

WRC cars are just ONE racing class, Rally racing is a lot more then that. The closest to street cars are not in the WRC class. SO for a street car WRC class is really means nothing vs the Group N cars development, and in fact parts.
AWD Turbo cars like the Evo or STI made for an "avarge racer", who is usually can not compete in the WRC rally series. More like the regional or similar events. So the WRC is not really a good reference, and i will explain why.

the difference is WRC cars has very little to nothing common with a street cars. Its like saying the NASCAR camry has a same parts as the saloon ones. So sure you wont find same parts in the street version, no need for it. If something is similar that is only by measurements only, but that is mainly the body dimensions , lights and windshield, that is it.
Nothing wrong with that for most people. You can find them all over on different forums

The Evo's/ STI's running many many years in the "Group N" Rally and NO ONE can deny the benefits of that in the street car, since many parts are in the street Evo are really race ready and tested. Not a same case in the upcoming RS. For a street car perspective the WRC Focus or Fiesta success makes no real benefits vs the Evo group N success. Since the Focus or Fiesta not even use a same parts, besides windshield and the exterior lights. Its a fact. ( hopefully that will change down in the road)
"Allowed modifications[edit]
The range of modifications allowed was quite narrow - few mechanical engine modifications were allowed (save for lightening within set limits and baffled sumps) although the choice of ECU was free, and this could liberate some extra power itself, and most of the modifications allowed were to promote longevity rather than increased performance, although the boundaries of these two areas were blurring towards the end of the group. Furthermore, cars with forced induction engines were fitted with a restrictor in front of the charger to limit power.[3]
Originally, Group N meant that all the interior trim had to be present (including the rear seat), but it later changed to allow removal of the trim aside from the dashboard and replacement of the door trim. The springs and dampers were free, as are the internals of the gearbox and the final-drive ratio, providing that the homologated gear ratios and gearchange pattern were respected. This allowed the use of dog-engagement gearboxes, providing quicker gearchanges and longer gearbox life. There was provision for strengthening of the suspension components and bodyshell, provided this didn't alter the operating principle.[4]
The FIA and many national motorsport associations were moving towards making rallying championships based in Group N (until it was replaced by Group R), in an attempt to reduce costs, reinforce the link between motorsport and the car that the member of the public drives, and to reduce the environmental impact of motorsport. The GpN 4WD Turbo rally car category underwent the process of being renamed as R4 for 2011. The key areas were that standard road car bodywork and driven wheels were retained from the road car that could be bought from the showroom."


In many regional _ ERC - WRC - etc etc series thousands and thousands Evo's racing all over the world (yes evo owners does exists outside of this forum), have to have a same parts as a street cars by the rules. In fact most group N cars are very close with they main components etc to the street cars, many on this forum still doesn't understand how close really they are for to a street version as it should be from a racer/racing point of view. That is why many people choose the Evo for pleasure car or even a race car since in rally for AWD Turbo cars the Group N-R is the cheapest most affordable. SO the Evo is the king there for a good reason.
Like for an examples: transmission gearing, even a many use the same OEM transmission, control arms , shafts , engine etc ( The Evo RS has the drive train ready for Rally, without ANY mod. etc) Parking lots they call this phenomenon as an "over engineering"...

Neither the Fiesta or the previous Focus , or even the new one able to qualify for Group N/R.
Needs a lot more modification etc to run a AWD turbo category to the point , they just simply can not enter by the rules.
In fact the Fiesta and the focus can not run group N or R , since they do not exists as a AWD turbo saloon car...
And i doent even go as far as the engine


So basically in short , the Evo as you buy in the store so as the STI are "race ready" for rally in AWD Turbo class vs the Fiesta and the Focus (even a new one) which are not. That is a pure and plane fact. Hence the fact why is the EVo or STI is a lot more closer to the racing counter part vs the Fiesta or the Focus.

( same goes for a VW vs the STI or the Evo) Hope fully, and looks like the time will come again soon where more Homologated car will roam on the streets like in the 80-90's
And maybe in a near future the RS will be part of it. Like it was with a Escort for an example. Strictly talking about AWD turbo cars, and they developments / parts in the street cars, which is a subject here as much as i understand.

 

As usual, it went right over your head. Le sigh.

 

i make it easy for you,

Street Evo's and STI's has real racing parts when you buy them, which are race proven, developed for racing and used for racing. Fiesta and the RS in that class has not.