for those worried about removing them.

I removed around 400lbs from my car. most of which equated to making car safer by improving braking, handling and acceleration. I also added epoxy foam to all the open frame rails of the shell. this strengthens rigidity by about 40%. much like adding a roll bar without endangering passengers and taking up space in the interior. the vehicle can be insured through grundy and haverty for like 1/3 what it cost to insure your late model. its much cheaper own to fix and maintain. my car is not for everybody. but calling it a "deathtrap" is pretty weak all around.

 

I feel completely safe in my CP9A. The car responds at the speed of thought. But I use to ride sport bikes, so my bar for feeling safe is probably skewed. There are always Volvos and SUVs out there for those who need more protection

 

Then keep driving your 10 year old car for the next 20 years.

 

I plan on it I also have 2 trucks and a Ford Focus. So I have the choice of vehicle for a variety of uses.

The saying "they don't make them like they used to" really does hold true for light weight awd turbo cars. Being from Canada where you can easily get the whole range of WRC legends, I would think you would understand.

But I guess the Drives: to the store and back comment in your signature explains a lot.

 

I do understand, but that doesn't mean I want to daily a car designed in the 90s with technology from the early 2000s.

You know the saying "assumptions make an *** out of you and me"? That applies to your comment, or at least the "you" portion. I would gladly have an Evo 6 for race duty. For daily driving, I want new, comfortable, quick and modern. A CT9A Evo doesn't satisfy 3 out of the 4 requirements. Is it quick? Of course, nobody debates that. Is it the best car for my needs? Not even close. I'd take an RS, Golf R, S3, CLA45, or STI over a 10 year old used Evo at this point in my life. I'd love to import a LHD Evo 6 TME since they're now legal, but dropping $25,000+ on a used toy isn't in the cards when I also want to buy other, more important things.

 

This made me lol, because the RS has no race proven design elements

"The Ford Focus RS WRC appeared in 173 World Rally Championship events, winning 44 and collecting 142 podium places."

 

That's a different car, man.

It's worth noting that the race Evos also often had modified suspension geometry. But don't let that detract from the Evo circle jerk.

 

Pretty much my point. Kind of.

 

You are mistaken. The suspension that came on the available to the public Evo was raced in many rally events. The suspension that is coming out on the Focus RS, is not the same suspension as was used on the Focus WRC car.

You should read up on wrc homologation, and what changes were, and were not, allowed.

 

So what, man? That suspension has also largely not changed since the 90s. Do you honestly think suspension technology and design hasn't improved or progressed in 20 years? That a manufacturer building a car in 2015 cannot use the information learned from years past to make a "better" off the shelf product?

By your logic, the 1990 Miata also has race proven suspension that makes it superior to modern cars that haven't had the luxury of 30 years of use.

All of these threads are the same on every forum. All that changes is the car people hold out as a benchmark and then obsessively defend like their ego depends on it.

 

Then why do you keep coming here if all of these threads are the same?

 

This thread. Can we nuke it from outer space, just to be sure?

Can we start 2016 with less asshatery?

 

Where's the :heart: button?

 

I simply assert that the suspension on the Evo has a race proven heritage and design. It was the result of engineers designing with the intent of winning races.

The suspension on the upcoming Focus RS cannot say that. All you have to do is look to the fact that they are using heavy steel in their suspension arms to see that.

The new Focus RS was not designed to compete in any race organization that I know of. It will not see WRC competition.

 

Heavy steel? Stamped steel components are pretty light. I don't know if you've ever worked on a car with those kinds of parts. It's not like its using huge chunks of cast iron.


You know what else isn't going to see WRC competition? Every single car you own, and every single car I own, and every single car 99.9% of people will ever own.