Focus RS
I get your hesitation regarding FWD being default but with technology today being able to transfer power to the rear almost instantly!..... that doesn't bother me.
Allot of newer cars have cylinder deactivation on cruise but the instant throttle is depressed power comes on....there is no noticing that added power is lost or any stumbling on throttle application. The tech works. The front open diff bothers me a bit more. The torque vectoring system is needed to (cover) for the lack of torque transfer capability in that axel. The rear is covered by the clutches as they "act" similar to a locking diff when commanded by software. In my "bench race" eval it seems like you will always have a 3 wheel drive system at best. Software mitigation will be needed through brake vectoring to "assist" the deficiency of a open front diff.
I am curious about your statement regarding " extra power beyond stock only goes to the front wheels." Do you feel the new RS's cpu will not be able to handle added power in correct proportions?
That sounds very Volkswagen like....
Allot of newer cars have cylinder deactivation on cruise but the instant throttle is depressed power comes on....there is no noticing that added power is lost or any stumbling on throttle application. The tech works. The front open diff bothers me a bit more. The torque vectoring system is needed to (cover) for the lack of torque transfer capability in that axel. The rear is covered by the clutches as they "act" similar to a locking diff when commanded by software. In my "bench race" eval it seems like you will always have a 3 wheel drive system at best. Software mitigation will be needed through brake vectoring to "assist" the deficiency of a open front diff.
I am curious about your statement regarding " extra power beyond stock only goes to the front wheels." Do you feel the new RS's cpu will not be able to handle added power in correct proportions?
That sounds very Volkswagen like....
There is a guy in the NASIOC thread who is on the engineering team for the RS AWD system. He's the one stating the amount of power that can be sent to the rear wheels cannot be increased per it's programming to be capped to comply with the system's capacity. He said therefore, extra power beyond stock will all stay at the front wheels- even to the point it will induce wheelspin.
When you consider that's going to an open front diff, it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence. Stock, it'll be fine. But factory turbo (easy power increase) and AWD (massive traction) = perfect canvas to modify. You can make over 400hp at the crank in an Evo with nothing but breathing mods and tuning.
The RS is going to be a wait and see approach with the aftermarket.
Last edited by Noize; Dec 5, 2015 at 02:05 PM.
I'm okay with power to the front....Just not the open diff. Bleh.
I am also okay with the idea of finally having a car to leave alone and not worry about funding the modification list LOL.
Especially as a DD.
I am also okay with the idea of finally having a car to leave alone and not worry about funding the modification list LOL.
Especially as a DD.
I left it out in that post, but talked about it a little earlier in this thread.
There is a guy in the NASIOC thread who is on the engineering team for the RS AWD system. He's the one stating the amount of power that [i]can be[/u] sent to the rear wheels cannot be increased per it's programming to be capped to comply with the system's capacity. He said therefore, extra power beyond stock will all stay at the front wheels- even to the point it will induce wheelspin.
When you consider that's going to an open front diff, it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence. Stock, it'll be fine. But factory turbo (easy power increase) and AWD (massive traction) = perfect canvas to modify. You can make over 400hp at the crank in an Evo with nothing but breathing mods and tuning.
The RS is going to be a wait and see approach with the aftermarket.
There is a guy in the NASIOC thread who is on the engineering team for the RS AWD system. He's the one stating the amount of power that [i]can be[/u] sent to the rear wheels cannot be increased per it's programming to be capped to comply with the system's capacity. He said therefore, extra power beyond stock will all stay at the front wheels- even to the point it will induce wheelspin.
When you consider that's going to an open front diff, it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence. Stock, it'll be fine. But factory turbo (easy power increase) and AWD (massive traction) = perfect canvas to modify. You can make over 400hp at the crank in an Evo with nothing but breathing mods and tuning.
The RS is going to be a wait and see approach with the aftermarket.
Volkswagen tries to fake out smog regulation and deceive gas mileage figures.
Now Ford has an on board dyno that will "vent off" excess power to a open front diff due to limited RWD hardware power capacity.
I think there will be enough creativity in the aftermarket world that will develop solutions. I remember my "old"
tuner ran into these kind of issues with the SST transmission when Evo X customers would boost power above design limits. He was one of the few that had learned solutions to deal with it.Like you said and they say in golf...."let's watch"
though I'd sell it in a heartbeat for an RS.. don't know if I want a $45k car payment any time soon though.
I left it out in that post, but talked about it a little earlier in this thread.
There is a guy in the NASIOC thread who is on the engineering team for the RS AWD system. He's the one stating the amount of power that can be sent to the rear wheels cannot be increased per it's programming to be capped to comply with the system's capacity. He said therefore, extra power beyond stock will all stay at the front wheels- even to the point it will induce wheelspin.
When you consider that's going to an open front diff, it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence. Stock, it'll be fine. But factory turbo (easy power increase) and AWD (massive traction) = perfect canvas to modify. You can make over 400hp at the crank in an Evo with nothing but breathing mods and tuning.
The RS is going to be a wait and see approach with the aftermarket.
There is a guy in the NASIOC thread who is on the engineering team for the RS AWD system. He's the one stating the amount of power that can be sent to the rear wheels cannot be increased per it's programming to be capped to comply with the system's capacity. He said therefore, extra power beyond stock will all stay at the front wheels- even to the point it will induce wheelspin.
When you consider that's going to an open front diff, it doesn't fill me with lots of confidence. Stock, it'll be fine. But factory turbo (easy power increase) and AWD (massive traction) = perfect canvas to modify. You can make over 400hp at the crank in an Evo with nothing but breathing mods and tuning.
The RS is going to be a wait and see approach with the aftermarket.
Im sure that can be overcome with flash technology... just as they said the GTR was unhackable and look at it now. If you grenade your car way beyond stock then that's really the owners issue not fords.
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I daily drive a 94 Miata R for 14 years. The EvoX GSR is much easier, safer, fast to live with on a daily basis - and more enjoyable for me. I feel like there is a point to the stiffness of the suspension as compared to the Miata R.
I think you missed the point of his comment...
