Focus RS
Let me be more clear what I am trying to say. Rob and Amby mentioned comparing them stock, which is where my comment came from.
The chassis, AWD system are implied, because they're already on the RS. Hundreds of posts in, I think we all know the specs of the RS front to back. I'm not saying any 350HP piece of crap can beat an Evo. With 60 extra HP and even the standard Pilot Super Sports, a 100% stock RS is a serious AWD performance car, and should handily beat a stock Evo. With the optional Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, it will undoubtedly thrash a stock Evo.
Ford got egg on its face with the SVT Focus back in 2002 when it was widely marketed as a Honda killer until it got trampled around the track by them. They made sure not to duplicate that mistake with the Focus ST, and it was benchmarked ahead of the mk6 GTI, beating it handily in every performance category.
The RS is no different. They know this car is going to be heavily compared to the STI, Golf R, and even the Evo. The extra power and Sport Cup 2s all but guarantee it will be the fastest turbo-4 AWD ever tested in the US. The RS ingredients are there for a very fast stock car. It's not hype. You don't have to take my word for it. Wait and see.
The chassis, AWD system are implied, because they're already on the RS. Hundreds of posts in, I think we all know the specs of the RS front to back. I'm not saying any 350HP piece of crap can beat an Evo. With 60 extra HP and even the standard Pilot Super Sports, a 100% stock RS is a serious AWD performance car, and should handily beat a stock Evo. With the optional Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, it will undoubtedly thrash a stock Evo.
Ford got egg on its face with the SVT Focus back in 2002 when it was widely marketed as a Honda killer until it got trampled around the track by them. They made sure not to duplicate that mistake with the Focus ST, and it was benchmarked ahead of the mk6 GTI, beating it handily in every performance category.
The RS is no different. They know this car is going to be heavily compared to the STI, Golf R, and even the Evo. The extra power and Sport Cup 2s all but guarantee it will be the fastest turbo-4 AWD ever tested in the US. The RS ingredients are there for a very fast stock car. It's not hype. You don't have to take my word for it. Wait and see.
I saw this:
"Stock the RS has a 60hp advantage. That alone it will dominate, it's not even a contest."
That post reads to me that the hp, alone, will allow the RS to dominate (not the chassis, tire, or other specs we've seen on paper). I guess I read it wrong. My bad.
Even still, the car SHOULD perform awesomely and I hope it does because I need a new AWD car to fantasize about. But we'll see.
"Stock the RS has a 60hp advantage. That alone it will dominate, it's not even a contest."
That post reads to me that the hp, alone, will allow the RS to dominate (not the chassis, tire, or other specs we've seen on paper). I guess I read it wrong. My bad.
Even still, the car SHOULD perform awesomely and I hope it does because I need a new AWD car to fantasize about. But we'll see.
kaj , all my honesty, I always was a rs fan, but wait for 2 years. rule number one maybe the wide body comes out 
rule number two, see how the awd system will hold up with increased power, and track use.
pro drivers tend to be saving a lots of life time on tires , trans mission and drive train....
I am sure you know hat I am talking about. wait to see how the RS will work in the first two years, but mainly wait for a wide body. I would be stunned if they wouldn't come out with that. RS in person with wide body is truly a sexy car.
rule number two, see how the awd system will hold up with increased power, and track use.
pro drivers tend to be saving a lots of life time on tires , trans mission and drive train....
I am sure you know hat I am talking about. wait to see how the RS will work in the first two years, but mainly wait for a wide body. I would be stunned if they wouldn't come out with that. RS in person with wide body is truly a sexy car.
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Let me be more clear what I am trying to say. Rob and Amby mentioned comparing them stock, which is where my comment came from.
The chassis, AWD system are implied, because they're already on the RS. Hundreds of posts in, I think we all know the specs of the RS front to back. I'm not saying any 350HP piece of crap can beat an Evo. With 60 extra HP and even the standard Pilot Super Sports, a 100% stock RS is a serious AWD performance car, and should handily beat a stock Evo. With the optional Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, it will undoubtedly thrash a stock Evo.
Ford got egg on its face with the SVT Focus back in 2002 when it was widely marketed as a Honda killer until it got trampled around the track by them. They made sure not to duplicate that mistake with the Focus ST, and it was benchmarked ahead of the mk6 GTI, beating it handily in every performance category.
The RS is no different. They know this car is going to be heavily compared to the STI, Golf R, and even the Evo. The extra power and Sport Cup 2s all but guarantee it will be the fastest turbo-4 AWD ever tested in the US. The RS ingredients are there for a very fast stock car. It's not hype. You don't have to take my word for it. Wait and see.
The chassis, AWD system are implied, because they're already on the RS. Hundreds of posts in, I think we all know the specs of the RS front to back. I'm not saying any 350HP piece of crap can beat an Evo. With 60 extra HP and even the standard Pilot Super Sports, a 100% stock RS is a serious AWD performance car, and should handily beat a stock Evo. With the optional Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, it will undoubtedly thrash a stock Evo.
Ford got egg on its face with the SVT Focus back in 2002 when it was widely marketed as a Honda killer until it got trampled around the track by them. They made sure not to duplicate that mistake with the Focus ST, and it was benchmarked ahead of the mk6 GTI, beating it handily in every performance category.
The RS is no different. They know this car is going to be heavily compared to the STI, Golf R, and even the Evo. The extra power and Sport Cup 2s all but guarantee it will be the fastest turbo-4 AWD ever tested in the US. The RS ingredients are there for a very fast stock car. It's not hype. You don't have to take my word for it. Wait and see.
I agree Noize, but the RS has a great reputation, and it was never a miss on the market. We are literally talking about an equal contender for the evo, even more then the STI where, and the RS comes with an 8 years ahead technology.
The RS will be even more of a monster with mods. I am only hesitating on the haldex system, but my experience is ancient on that, so I have a big hopes even on that department.
Only thing is with haldex , back then it was very expensive, if something did go wrong. Will see how this new haldex approach for ford will hold the extra power what the RS get with aftermarket support.
So I am hoping the RS haldex and clutch system on the drive train will handle the extra TQ. THAT will be a deciding factor I think here, and not the extra power on the engine.
IMHO
The RS will be even more of a monster with mods. I am only hesitating on the haldex system, but my experience is ancient on that, so I have a big hopes even on that department.
Only thing is with haldex , back then it was very expensive, if something did go wrong. Will see how this new haldex approach for ford will hold the extra power what the RS get with aftermarket support.
So I am hoping the RS haldex and clutch system on the drive train will handle the extra TQ. THAT will be a deciding factor I think here, and not the extra power on the engine.
IMHO
Rob apparently the haldex system/bias is the way to go... I just learned that even the M Sport cars MKII, MKIII Focus and Fiesta WRC's are setup with more front split bias to keep the car neat versus 50/50 or rear to "waste" traction and the results speak for themselves. Sucks for what we want it for but maybe if we cant teach them to drive properly they can force them to drive properly within the set parameters.
The Evo 1-3, 5-6, 7-9 have all been comparable tracking cars to their Japanese flagship trackday star... the r32, 33 and 34 GTR. There was a 40-60hp difference there as well with a comparatively much less complicated AWD system than Nissan, and smaller rubber but still made respectable and competitive times.
Rob apparently the haldex system/bias is the way to go... I just learned that even the M Sport cars MKII, MKIII Focus and Fiesta WRC's are setup with more front split bias to keep the car neat versus 50/50 or rear to "waste" traction and the results speak for themselves. Sucks for what we want it for but maybe if we cant teach them to drive properly they can force them to drive properly within the set parameters.
The Evo 1-3, 5-6, 7-9 have all been comparable tracking cars to their Japanese flagship trackday star... the r32, 33 and 34 GTR. There was a 40-60hp difference there as well with a comparatively much less complicated AWD system than Nissan, and smaller rubber but still made respectable and competitive times.
The Evo 1-3, 5-6, 7-9 have all been comparable tracking cars to their Japanese flagship trackday star... the r32, 33 and 34 GTR. There was a 40-60hp difference there as well with a comparatively much less complicated AWD system than Nissan, and smaller rubber but still made respectable and competitive times.
How much extra it will hold and how long? How much it will cost the replacement?
Also you forget the number X... lol
besides the fact the Evo is also based on the FWD system without the haldex complication. ACD with a mechanical diff is the way to go in racing, just because the AYC is too heavy and foremost expensive to replace.
But that is racing.
I am simply just wonder how this new approach of Ford for AWD system will work in a real life with street oriented parts. You can not compere WRC cars and systems to them, only the theory and engineering. The materials being used and so on so forth its a night and day between the WRC or the street car. WRC cars literally doesn't exits on the road. Anyone who thinks they have anything common with a street car besides the windshield and the lights, is hugely mistaken.
I know that is not you , though .
that is why I have a faith in the new RS, but the street version of the haldex is entirely different unit. So there is where I am a bit suspicious.
How much extra it will hold and how long? How much it will cost the replacement?
Also you forget the number X... lol
besides the fact the Evo is also based on the FWD system without the haldex complication. ACD with a mechanical diff is the way to go in racing, just because the AYC is too heavy and foremost expensive to replace.
But that is racing.
I am simply just wonder how this new approach of Ford for AWD system will work in a real life with street oriented parts. You can not compere WRC cars and systems to them, only the theory and engineering. The materials being used and so on so forth its a night and day between the WRC or the street car. WRC cars literally doesn't exits on the road. Anyone who thinks they have anything common with a street car besides the windshield and the lights, is hugely mistaken.
I know that is not you , though .
How much extra it will hold and how long? How much it will cost the replacement?
Also you forget the number X... lol
besides the fact the Evo is also based on the FWD system without the haldex complication. ACD with a mechanical diff is the way to go in racing, just because the AYC is too heavy and foremost expensive to replace.
But that is racing.
I am simply just wonder how this new approach of Ford for AWD system will work in a real life with street oriented parts. You can not compere WRC cars and systems to them, only the theory and engineering. The materials being used and so on so forth its a night and day between the WRC or the street car. WRC cars literally doesn't exits on the road. Anyone who thinks they have anything common with a street car besides the windshield and the lights, is hugely mistaken.
I know that is not you , though .
I suppose I didn't include the X vs the R35 because the power and rubber so vastly different between those and its hard to compare from my view.
Last edited by Ralliart004; Dec 4, 2015 at 06:33 AM.
There were angry words and mutterings of a nasty word called "Homologation" coming back to the WRC a la Gp.A transitioning to WRC days. If that is true and there is legitimate support there are some awesome cars coming from some very old school brands.
I suppose I didn't include the X vs the R35 because the power and rubber so vastly different between those and its hard to compare from my view.
I suppose I didn't include the X vs the R35 because the power and rubber so vastly different between those and its hard to compare from my view.
They should have never been block group A. That I sthe era where the street cars started shining. Like the EVO - STI - RS - Integrale etc.
3.15 where the racing starts
I heard the Integrale is coming back too.
So anyway, the RS very promising etc, but I would like to see how the AWD system works before in jump into one. Which I might do later. If the market doesn't change.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Dec 4, 2015 at 08:01 AM.
Because tire technology has come a long way since 2003. That and finding a usable set of Evo 8/9 advan tires is nearly impossible. Using the same tires is more than fair.