A little OT would be understandable. Like I said though, this thread is 123 pages, the majority of it being people talking about how amazing the Evo is, or, as now, about things specific to the Evo. What does the merits of removing the bumper beam have to do with the RS?

I like Evom more than other sites because it didn't used to be the hardcore dick swinging, biased forum that others were. I suppose it was only a matter of time...

 

With the relentless drivetrain issue's my Evo has been having, I may be considering another platform. And the RS looks promising, more so than a Golf R.

 

Again, easy to solve by not opening the 123 page thread you mention. There are going to be poster styles and topics you don't like. I post in 1/100 of the threads I open due to this, but I leave the community alone to their discussions.

You've made it clear you hate this thread, and I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not going to sterilize it to 100% fact verified Focus tech and delete 2/3 of the content. The fact you see it as dick riding and not discussion and learning among fellow owners proves its one of the threads you're better not bothering with.

 

Reasons why I think the Evo will be better than the Focus RS.
1. Proven full-time awd system. From Rally to the track, the Evo awd system delivers. Easily upgraded to support high hp.
2. Weight. Evo makes extensive use of aluminum to reduce weight on body panels and suspension components.
3. Reliable engine. Engine builders have pretty much figured out how to make the 4G63 and 4b11 engines bulletproof.
4. Suspension geometry. The Evo has years of race proven design behind its suspension setup.
5. Aftermarket support. From bolt on turbos, to cams, to whatever. There are 3 of everything you could possibly need to support any type of driving and hp goal.

Maybe in a few years, the Focus RS community will catch up. But given the low production numbers and the fact that many new Focus RS owners will want to keep their warranty intact, I don't think the Focus RS will have nearly the aftermarket support that the Evo does.

If you think the Focus RS will be better, I would love to hear why.

 

I'm not asking for 100% but I don't think it can be argued that removal of the Evo crash beam is at all related to the Ford Focus RS. I liked this thread when there was some real content; the technical comparisons to the Evo system was actually useful. Now, it's basically turned into Evo owners popping in to say how much better their 10 year old modified car is than a brand new RS that hasn't even been tested yet. It'd be great if those posts were filtered a bit since all they do is start a pissing contest. There's a reason why the Evo Guru checked out of this thread after he spent page after page correcting false information and ****ty "da Evo is da bestest eva" posts.

 

That guru is a friend of mine, and I'm pretty sure he still pops in this thread to see the carnage, lol.

I'm sure you know this thread is definitely unique in this section (excluding the rally debacle). If nothing else, use it as an indicator to the type of people you want to add to your ignore list.

You're a super knowledgable car guy, Amby. I know this thread is vannoying at times, but there's a ton of good info and discussion for all types that are willing to sift and ignore.

 

when we run out of RS stuff to talk about, our attention goes elsewhere until someone posts something new.

i understand this along with the fact that this website is Evo based.. well.. a forum.

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so i don't mind it going OT at all. i don't use an Evo forum for a technical resource for a Ford product anyway. it's all fun conversation for me.

 

Sure dude, but forums don't function well if it's just a conversation free for all. There's a reason why it's broken down into sections.

Clearly I'm in the minority here since I look at this thread for information and discussion on the RS, not to hear whether removing the crash beam on an Evo is a good idea or what the latest European rally results are.

 

I agree with nearly every point in your list, except for your very revealing last sentence. The Focus RS isn't "better" than a highly modified Evo like your list reveals. At least not a better race car. (Again, that's what your list describes.) I ordered an RS because I want a very fast, Daily Driver with all the comfort and convenience options, and full Factory Warranty. And it had to be able to out perform a warranteed Subie, V-R, and EVO. If I wanted a "fun" lightweight track car, I'd get a Catterham and knock the snot out of the Evo you describe. But I don't. I got that out of my system some time ago.

 

stop. the intelligence level is just not there.

 

i used to help moderate a forum. i learned that once topics run out of things to discuss, they evolve and move on until they die. to be honest, i get all OCD and it bugs the crap out of me, but that's how it is and it's not my forum LOL. but i understand what you are saying. i do come here for tech info on my Evo.. but i'd go elsewhere for Ford stuff.

IMO, that's what a lot of people are missing. yes, the RS used to be a bad *** in it's time, but considering times have changed. .. i'd still say it's a bad *** relative to the requirements put on today's cars.

if i weren't finishing school, my Evo would go hard-core-race-mode and the RS would be my daily. my god, how fun that would be LOL.

 

How did you come to the conclusion that it would be a better daily driver and outperform the Subie, V-R, and EVO?

 

maybe you werent aware but every evo 1-6 came with zero crash beams from the factory. and you wont find a thread anywhere of anyone adding beams in to make it safer.

 

Must resist urge to talk about crash beams.

That said, the info is out there
http://sparebumper.com/index.php?act...d&productId=44
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/s...per/Index.html
http://european-aluminium.eu/wp-cont...t-systems1.pdf

 

My comments on safety have nothing to do with the bumper crash beams. Side impact blows, and I'm sure the recaros aren't much better for the purpose of these tests.


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