I disagree. When talking about performance cars, "better" can usually be measured in one way of another. Whether its stronger, faster, lighter, etc. I guarantee if you take identical cars, other than helical front diff vs. open front diff, you could measure differences in cornering and lap speed.

 

Going to put this here again since these fools just keep deflecting their ignorance...

The 2003-2004 GSR did not have a helical front diff, that is a LSD. The 2003-2004 Evo GSR had AN OPEN FRONT DIFFERENTIAL.

Only the 2004 RS model had a helical front diff.

You don't even know what Evos have? Come on man. They call this "ignorance".

 

I was not talking about what specific model of evo had what front diff. Only that imo, a helical front diff > open front diff. So I am not sure what your post is meant to show.

 

You keep saying "performance cars" like it's some kind of objective class of cars. It's not. It's a meaningless phrase.

How do you propose to test these things? That's my point. There is no reasonable objective basis to conclude that one car is objectively better than another. None. Lap times only tell you exactly that, lap times.

Even here, all you've referred to are speeds. Great, I'm sure the average buyer of the RS will give two ****s about 2 MPH here or there in cornering speed.

 

So ****ing what? Again, you're narrowing it down to one factor and trying to ***** and moan about the RS because it doesn't fit on your side of that factor.

To recap, in the last few pages:

You've *****ed about the weight while ignoring the massive weight gain the Evo has experienced in its life time.

You've *****ed about the lack of a front diff while ignoring that the Evo didn't have a front diff for some of its life time.

 

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I'm bowing out of this merde show again...


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I still don't see your point. Are you trying to saying Evo 8 GSR is better than other versions (like the RS) that did come with a helical front diff?

Mitsubishi tried a lot of drivetrain combinations, for instance no US-spec Evolution model prior to the Evo X has active yaw control, including the 2006 Evolution IX. The American 2003 and 2004 GSRs are without the helical limited-slip front differential and 6-speed manual transmission. The 2004 US spec RS models, however, do have a front helical limited-slip differential. All 2003, 2004 and 2005 RS and GSR models have the Japanese Evolution VII's 5-speed transmission. The MR edition was introduced to the US in 2005, with ACD and the only model with a 6-speed transmission. The 2005 US spec RS and GSR have the ACD standard, and the front helical limited-slip differential is now standard on all models.

But I think we can all agree, that for handling, a helical front diff > open front diff. Can't we?

 

R never made it past prototype, it is a dead project.

 

Not necessarily, and depends what you mean by handling. There are trade offs between different aspects such as maximum grip vs quick transitions.

 

What are you trying to say? http://www.vw.com/models/golf-r/?&ci..._95913083586_c

 

No, I'm saying this whole "better" pissing match is a red herring.

 

So how do you propose we compare the Focus RS to any car... at all? Or should we just take it on faith that its good, because Ford says so.

 

One, objective results will be available. If you want to compare those, knock yourself out. 1/4 mile times and curb weights don't mean a whole lot for how a car feels, though.

Two, are you wilfully blind or something? Seemingly every person who drives the car for the purposes of reviewing it has given the RS a glowing review. So no, it's not good "because Ford says so".

 

I imagine nemsin is now frantically trying to find a review that hated the RS.

 

Who are these early reviews from again? Some random journalist that is thankful to Ford for the opportunity to spend a few minutes with the car. Bleh.

I will wait and see what Randy Pobst has to say.