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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
All you have to do is look to the fact that they are using heavy steel in their suspension arms to see that.
Here you go again twisting things to try and fit it into your little mind box.

The homologated production Fiesta has steel arms, the homologated production Golf R has steel arms. Both cars/chassis compete at high level in rally racing. You yourself can go to FIA.com and see a list of all the homologated cars that compete.

Stamped steel suspension arms has absolutely zero relevance on motorsports pedigree.

Stop being so insane and making stuff up. A good amount of modern SUV's have aluminum suspension arms now, does that mean they are more relevant to motorsports than a Miata with steel arms? According to your statement, yes. That is insanity.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Then why do you keep coming here if all of these threads are the same?
Because this thread actually started out good. It had real information and technical discussion, and the moderators kept it on topic. Now, it's devolved into talk on how great the 10+ year old Evo is.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Heavy steel? Stamped steel components are pretty light. I don't know if you've ever worked on a car with those kinds of parts. It's not like its using huge chunks of cast iron. You know what else isn't going to see WRC competition? Every single car you own, and every single car I own, and every single car 99.9% of people will ever own.
Stamped steel arms will be heavy in comparison to the forged aluminum arms on the Evo. As for cars I own, you are making a lot of assumptions.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Stamped steel arms will be heavy in comparison to the forged aluminum arms on the Evo. As for cars I own, you are making a lot of assumptions.
So what? That doesn't lead to your conclusion that the RS wasn't designed using Ford's extensive racing experience.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:01 AM
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Are you ever going to go WRC racing with your car?
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Are you ever going to go WRC racing with your car?
That is why I bought my Fiesta, I saw how capable the car is in rally, based on all the wins the car has been accumulating in the WRC R5 series, I wanted to join in and was slated to start my racing career the middle of 2015.

Then I looked under the car and it has steel arms, so my WRC career was cut short.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
That is why I bought my Fiesta, I saw how capable the car is in rally, based on all the wins the car has been accumulating in the WRC R5 series, I wanted to join in and was slated to start my racing career the middle of 2015.

Then I looked under the car and it has steel arms, so my WRC career was cut short.
Come on bro, you shoulda bought a 10+ year old Evo has your daily race car.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:14 AM
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So what? That doesn't lead to your conclusion that the RS wasn't designed using Ford's extensive racing experience.
That was never my conclusion. I said "Suspension geometry. The Evo has years of race proven design behind its suspension setup." as one of the reasons I thought the Evo would be better than the Focus RS.

To me, forged aluminum components with a race proven design and heritage counts for something. If you think the Focus' pressed steel components and design will be just as good, the we can agree to disagree.

Even Ford sees this as an area they can improve upon
"Polycarbonate glazing, carbonfibre-reinforced plastic bodywork, forged aluminium suspension componentry, carbonfibre brakes, less noise insulation and a stripped-out interior could take upwards of 100kg out of the car - even after the drivetrain additions under consideration have 
been grafted on." http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...cus-rs-planned
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:16 AM
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And add thousands of dollars to the price of a car that has to compete in a market. That sounds like a terrible idea...
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Come on bro, you shoulda bought a 10+ year old Evo has your daily race car.
I made all my current auto purchases based on how WRC proven the car is, it's the only way, even though I have never competed in an actual race series ever in my 40 years of being on this planet.

2014 Evo GSR - WRC proven, race ready
2014 Fiesta ST - WRC proven, race ready
2012 Golf R - WRC proven, race ready
2007 Rabbit - WRC proven, race ready

Only one of those cars has aluminum arms though, so that is the only one I bring to the car meets, hard park and talk to the 16 year olds about how racecar it is.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
That was never my conclusion. I said "Suspension geometry. The Evo has years of race proven design behind its suspension setup." as one of the reasons I thought the Evo would be better than the Focus RS.

To me, forged aluminum components with a race proven design and heritage counts for something. If you think the Focus' pressed steel components and design will be just as good, the we can agree to disagree.

Even Ford sees this as an area they can improve upon
"Polycarbonate glazing, carbonfibre-reinforced plastic bodywork, forged aluminium suspension componentry, carbonfibre brakes, less noise insulation and a stripped-out interior could take upwards of 100kg out of the car - even after the drivetrain additions under consideration have 
been grafted on." http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...cus-rs-planned
Again, your conclusions don't follow your premises. How can you conclude the RS doesn't benefit from Ford's extensive race history and improved suspension technology and knowledge developed in the past 20 years?

All you're doing is speculating using the assumption that the Evo is superior and thus anything that isn't the same as the Evo is inferior. That's basically your argument.

"The Evo has X, the RS has Y, therefore the RS is crap."
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:21 AM
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I only bought my F150 because it s a proven WRC tow vehicle.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:39 AM
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Which one of you would take pressed steel suspension components over forged aluminum if given the choice? Are you really arguing they are just as good? better?
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by nemsin
Which one of you would take pressed steel suspension components over forged aluminum if given the choice? Are you really arguing they are just as good? better?
You're tactics are changing every time your point is challenged. Why does my opinion on what is better matter? I'm not a race car engineer. I don't work for Ford. I don't race professionally. I'm an average Joe that likes cars, and races for fun.

If it helps you, I wouldn't care whether a given suspension part was aluminum or steel if the car itself performed well. Again, using your logic, I'm pretty sure the NA Miata uses steel parts, and it's a proven race winner, more so than the Evo, at least in North America.
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Old Dec 31, 2015 | 10:45 AM
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Do you think the S2000 is a good car? Because that car has absolutely zero WRC pedigree, so it must be a complete turd.
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