Focus RS
Most drive these cars on the street way more than the track, many never see a track. I'm sure there are many who care way more about street rain performance than not.
And no one said anything about racing, destroying a 2WD from a performance standpoint. If you race in the rain, you already know why AWD is so important.
But grab that Civic if you want one, you know you'll be kicking yourself next time
the clouds roll over on race day.
And no one said anything about racing, destroying a 2WD from a performance standpoint. If you race in the rain, you already know why AWD is so important.
But grab that Civic if you want one, you know you'll be kicking yourself next time
the clouds roll over on race day.
I don't see the slight drop in rain performance as being so problematic that it would drive my decision to buy one car over another.
It is major advantage on cars, especially 300 HP and more.
More and more awd cars coming out, specially for everyday driving, there is a big demand for it, and for a good reason. Stability and all weather performance.
This. While I do drive spiritedly on the street, if its raining, I back it off. No reason to toss my car in to telephone pole or a wall because car behavior is far less predictable in the wet.
BUT I also suspect the new Focus RS will be slower than the new Civic Type R in the dry. Time will tell if I am right.
Your right though, that does describe most of the world, I see them racked up all over the place every time it rains..............
when it rains, the FIRST think i do is go out and have some fun in the parking lot near my house. i take full advantage of every ounce of fun this car has to offer.
An idiot would be the person that drives any car so meekly in the rain at all times that they have no idea how the car would react in an emergency situation, on a real street, if they had to brake, turn, or accelerate to avoid a bad situation (like the 40% of morons who are texting and come head on at you at the last second, or that 1 ton diesel that blows a stop sign and you have to high tail it out of the way with that great AWD acceleration).
Your right though, that does describe most of the world, I see them racked up all over the place every time it rains..............
Your right though, that does describe most of the world, I see them racked up all over the place every time it rains..............
Your argument is pretty weak, dude.
Uh huh, so not driving like an ******* makes you an idiot? We're talking about taking the car to the limit, or past it, on the street. If you want to learn how the car handles under those situations, go to an autocross or driving school. You're a ****ty human being if you're pushing your car so hard on the street that you seriously need AWD to save you from yourself.
Your argument is pretty weak, dude.
Your argument is pretty weak, dude.
Virtually 100% of the public will never participate in any sanctioned race event or driver training. The least they can do is pick a parking lot and/or desolate road and practice avoiding what is inevitably going to happen to them, on the street, in the rain.
You can preach about theoretical right and wrong or call names all you want, but I would feel much safer knowing 100% of the people driving, practiced on a regular basis vs the incompetents (99%+ of which don't even know they are incompetent) surrounding me on a daily basis.
Not that we have had much rain here in California this year but surprisingly my FWD Fiesta ST feels better in the rain then my Evo 10, even with the Evo 10 on DWS all seasons and the Fiesta on S04's. I contribute it to the Fiesta being much lighter and having 205 tires instead of 265 on the Evo.
This is normal driving, to and from work, driving like a sensible person. If I was driving hard, obviously rain driving would favor the Evo as the Fiesta would just light up the tires with anything past half throttle.
My Fiesta has 300wtq and 1st and 2nd gear is pretty much useless on the street, even in the dry. At the track it will even spin the tires a little at apex out in some 3rd gear turns. It's very frustrating. One of the reasons I stopped tracking it.
Still a really fun car over all though but I would almost always pick AWD if I had to choose a single car to own.
This is normal driving, to and from work, driving like a sensible person. If I was driving hard, obviously rain driving would favor the Evo as the Fiesta would just light up the tires with anything past half throttle.
My Fiesta has 300wtq and 1st and 2nd gear is pretty much useless on the street, even in the dry. At the track it will even spin the tires a little at apex out in some 3rd gear turns. It's very frustrating. One of the reasons I stopped tracking it.
Still a really fun car over all though but I would almost always pick AWD if I had to choose a single car to own.
You are the one that brought up driving at or past the limit of the car on the street in the rain, not me. AWD can be a huge advantage at well below the limit of the car (whatever that "limit" truly means) and/or below the speed limit, in traction limited emergency situations.
Virtually 100% of the public will never participate in any sanctioned race event or driver training. The least they can do is pick a parking lot and/or desolate road and practice avoiding what is inevitably going to happen to them, on the street, in the rain.
You can preach about theoretical right and wrong or call names all you want, but I would feel much safer knowing 100% of the people driving, practiced on a regular basis vs the incompetents (99%+ of which don't even know they are incompetent) surrounding me on a daily basis.
Virtually 100% of the public will never participate in any sanctioned race event or driver training. The least they can do is pick a parking lot and/or desolate road and practice avoiding what is inevitably going to happen to them, on the street, in the rain.
You can preach about theoretical right and wrong or call names all you want, but I would feel much safer knowing 100% of the people driving, practiced on a regular basis vs the incompetents (99%+ of which don't even know they are incompetent) surrounding me on a daily basis.
I have driven no 2WD car that pulls as hard in the rain a my EVO. Rain on 2 of the next 5 days, there is zero point driving my 14 stang with a 295 rear sticky tire on those days.
And just because you don't drive hard in the rain, does not mean
an AWD car won't destroy any 2WD in the rain on the street.
an AWD car won't destroy any 2WD in the rain on the street.
I also don't see how you can say virtually 100% when, presumably, everybody on this board and other car enthusiast boards are members of the public. Moreover, your comments on feeling better that people go through driver's training, which I agree with, have no bearing at all on your AWD vs. the World pissing match.