Focus RS
This is the comment, from you, that started it all:
This was buttressed by another post of yours:
Regardless, your comments are largely pointless. They're pure speculation based on assumptions on both the capabilities of the Civic, and hypothetical scenarios.
I also don't see how you can say virtually 100% when, presumably, everybody on this board and other car enthusiast boards are members of the public. Moreover, your comments on feeling better that people go through driver's training, which I agree with, have no bearing at all on your AWD vs. the World pissing match.
This was buttressed by another post of yours:
Regardless, your comments are largely pointless. They're pure speculation based on assumptions on both the capabilities of the Civic, and hypothetical scenarios.
I also don't see how you can say virtually 100% when, presumably, everybody on this board and other car enthusiast boards are members of the public. Moreover, your comments on feeling better that people go through driver's training, which I agree with, have no bearing at all on your AWD vs. the World pissing match.
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% is virtually 100%
200 million drivers in 2012. Exactly where do you suppose they ALL go, even once a year, for any driver education/car testing? We both know your delusional suggestion is impossible, hence I suggest drivers attempt to educate themselves, as safely as they can, on their own.
You must live out the middle of nowhere by yourself, never seeing another vehicle, if you have not gone to make a left hand turn, and a car waiting at a stop sign decides to pull out while you are halfway through your turn (as in, right at you). In a 2WD on a rainy day, you get hit, an AWD, if you are paying attention, you have a chance to floor it and maybe pull away (still might get hit). I'm not arguing about it, it is just a fact.
Neither of my comments indicated any car being driven at or above it's limits or even above the speed limit. My comments are at least relevant to cars you can get in the USA, the Civic in question not being one of them.
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% is virtually 100%
200 million drivers in 2012. Exactly where do you suppose they ALL go, even once a year, for any driver education/car testing? We both know your delusional suggestion is impossible, hence I suggest drivers attempt to educate themselves, as safely as they can, on their own.
You must live out the middle of nowhere by yourself, never seeing another vehicle, if you have not gone to make a left hand turn, and a car waiting at a stop sign decides to pull out while you are halfway through your turn (as in, right at you). In a 2WD on a rainy day, you get hit, an AWD, if you are paying attention, you have a chance to floor it and maybe pull away (still might get hit). I'm not arguing about it, it is just a fact.
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% is virtually 100%
200 million drivers in 2012. Exactly where do you suppose they ALL go, even once a year, for any driver education/car testing? We both know your delusional suggestion is impossible, hence I suggest drivers attempt to educate themselves, as safely as they can, on their own.
You must live out the middle of nowhere by yourself, never seeing another vehicle, if you have not gone to make a left hand turn, and a car waiting at a stop sign decides to pull out while you are halfway through your turn (as in, right at you). In a 2WD on a rainy day, you get hit, an AWD, if you are paying attention, you have a chance to floor it and maybe pull away (still might get hit). I'm not arguing about it, it is just a fact.
OK, this is getting stupid. None of this has anything to do with the Ford Focus. If you want to continue with this discussion involving lots of hypotheticals, assumptions, speculations about performance, and the like, start a new thread.
Kind of ironic not to be able to do any of that on a car no one has reliable specs on, no one has driven yet, and won't be for sale for almost a year (not much left to talk about really). IF this thread is for 100% verified, indisputable information only, will gladly leave my opinions out, if you will.
I'm on OX's side of this...
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50 (degree's F)... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50 (degree's F)... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
Last edited by WarmMilk; Apr 22, 2015 at 03:15 PM.
Originally Posted by warmmilk;11433611 2
I'm on OX's side of this...
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
but you wouldnt argue on this if you had a car like that before. both kind 2wd and 4wd for a period of fime.
anyhow, the RS will deliver i am sure a very high performance for street.
that is i think never was a question what so ever.
so that is why the racing subject came in. And with the RS would be a shame if wouldnt be the case
awd or not if you want talk about street drivabilty, there is a prius forum, that would satisfy what you are craving.
Last edited by Robevo RS; Apr 22, 2015 at 02:02 PM.
Kind of ironic not to be able to do any of that on a car no one has reliable specs on, no one has driven yet, and won't be for sale for almost a year (not much left to talk about really). IF this thread is for 100% verified, indisputable information only, will gladly leave my opinions out, if you will.
I'm on OX's side of this...
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
ofcourse there isn't much difference between AWD and f/rwd under normal driving... but we don't buy high performance cars for normal driving...
I have a Mustang GT now, and its useless for the first 3 gears at anything below 50... where as I could floor my Evo and go at any temp, and in the wet too
The "don't drive like an idiot on the street" argument is stupid.. by that logic we should all be driving priuses... You can't call yourself a car enthusiast if you've never floored it on the street
you don't need to floor it to know, and feel the advantages of the awd on street. specially close or over 300hp.
but you wouldnt argue on this if you had a car like that before. both kind 2wd and 4wd for a period of fime.
anyhow, the RS will deliver i am sure a very high performance for street.
that is i think never was a question what so ever.
so that is why the racing subject came in. And with the RS would be a shame if wouldnt be the case
awd or not if you want talk about street drivabilty, there is a prius forum, that would satisfy what you are craving.
but you wouldnt argue on this if you had a car like that before. both kind 2wd and 4wd for a period of fime.
anyhow, the RS will deliver i am sure a very high performance for street.
that is i think never was a question what so ever.
so that is why the racing subject came in. And with the RS would be a shame if wouldnt be the case
awd or not if you want talk about street drivabilty, there is a prius forum, that would satisfy what you are craving.
This is the only useful post from the last week.
Seriously, I don't even get what you guys* are arguing about, and the poor horse doesn't even know why he had to die. Yes, AWD has better traction, and all things being equal it is the best drivetrain. But all things aren't equal. AWD adds weight, cost, complexity, parasitic drivetrain losses, and other compromises. Honda figures that running 300 HP thru the fronts is better than adding cost, weight, and a lot of engineering headaches to make it AWD. Ford figured it was worth it to go AWD.
The hypotheticals are kinda hilarious... evading an accident because you have AWD? Yeah, sure. Reminds me of the thread where some idiot was hoping people would rear end him, as his elite driving skills would ensure he wouldn't get hurt, and he could get a big insurance payout...
* I'll refrain from my preferred word choice here.
Seriously, I don't even get what you guys* are arguing about, and the poor horse doesn't even know why he had to die. Yes, AWD has better traction, and all things being equal it is the best drivetrain. But all things aren't equal. AWD adds weight, cost, complexity, parasitic drivetrain losses, and other compromises. Honda figures that running 300 HP thru the fronts is better than adding cost, weight, and a lot of engineering headaches to make it AWD. Ford figured it was worth it to go AWD.
The hypotheticals are kinda hilarious... evading an accident because you have AWD? Yeah, sure. Reminds me of the thread where some idiot was hoping people would rear end him, as his elite driving skills would ensure he wouldn't get hurt, and he could get a big insurance payout...
* I'll refrain from my preferred word choice here.
I had 300 wheel horsepower in my Integra type r. Once I learned how to modulate the throttle correctly, it was lighter and faster than almost any other car on the track. I have absolutely no issues with a front wheel drive car. A well handling one has tons of potential. I would take that car to the race track over most all-wheel-drive cars.
So, front-wheel-drive, rearwheel drive, or all-wheel-drive all work for me. Because as posted above, all things are not equal.
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So, front-wheel-drive, rearwheel drive, or all-wheel-drive all work for me. Because as posted above, all things are not equal.
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