Robevo RS derails every thread megamerge
You better believe a bone stock Segway is competitive in Rally Racing. Yea, it's 2WD but there is torque vectoring on each wheel and very lightweight, all things you want in rally racing.
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I can see how he is calling his car stock because the changes didn't really improve performance. The cage may stiffen it some, but it also makes it heavier. The turbo has an inlet restrictor, so the few other mods bring the power and torque back up to about stock. The wheels are narrower for narrower tires.
I guess it depends on what a persons definition of "stock" is.
My personal opinion is that stock is as the car sits as provided by the manufacturer. As soon as you change something, it is no longer stock.
Thus, a Evo with different wheels, different tires, different brake pads, different air filter, different ECU programming, different intercooler piping, a welded in roll cage, different seats, and a turbo restrictor is no longer even close to stock in my definition of the word.
Every. single. one. of those mods changes the performance compared to how it came from the manufacturer, which was the whole reason why this even came up.
Again, it is laughable that anybody is arguing that that car is still stock.
My personal opinion is that stock is as the car sits as provided by the manufacturer. As soon as you change something, it is no longer stock.
Thus, a Evo with different wheels, different tires, different brake pads, different air filter, different ECU programming, different intercooler piping, a welded in roll cage, different seats, and a turbo restrictor is no longer even close to stock in my definition of the word.
Every. single. one. of those mods changes the performance compared to how it came from the manufacturer, which was the whole reason why this even came up.
Again, it is laughable that anybody is arguing that that car is still stock.
Last edited by razorlab; Apr 21, 2015 at 01:48 PM.
I guess it depends on what a persons definition of "stock" is.
My personal opinion is that stock is as the car sits as provided by the manufacturer. As soon as you change something, it is no longer stock.
Thus, a Evo with different wheels, different tires, different brake pads, different air filter, different ECU programming, different intercooler piping, a welded in roll cage, different seats, and a turbo restrictor is no longer even close to stock in my definition of the word.
Every. single. one. of those mods changes the performance compared to how it came from the manufacturer, which was the whole reason why this even came up.
Again, it is laughable that anybody is arguing that that car is still stock.
My personal opinion is that stock is as the car sits as provided by the manufacturer. As soon as you change something, it is no longer stock.
Thus, a Evo with different wheels, different tires, different brake pads, different air filter, different ECU programming, different intercooler piping, a welded in roll cage, different seats, and a turbo restrictor is no longer even close to stock in my definition of the word.
Every. single. one. of those mods changes the performance compared to how it came from the manufacturer, which was the whole reason why this even came up.
Again, it is laughable that anybody is arguing that that car is still stock.
Judging by the power it made, I would say its a reduction in performance to fit into the "stock" class in sanctioning body he races with so that the field is more level between AWD, RWD, and FWD cars.
Yes, its not stock, but does perform better than a stock one? Probably not. Also, if you go and do legitamite racing, a stock car will require a roll cage, an approved racing seat, and fire suppression in most sanctioning bodies to race in the "stock" class.
While Rob's car is a prepared racecar, its performance is likely very close, if not below that of a stock Evo X.
Mainly i do agree with you.
However, there is a reason why they have classes. So as long as you are in a street class, you can call it a stock car. Since at that class it really does matter how your car comes out from the factory. Period.
street class...
Everyone can do those mods easily without ANY mechanical changes in they car. That is the point of that class. Besides those parts you can change in that class is mostly wear and tear items, like pads tires... I mean you have to change them after a while .... lol
I do think the RS might have to ditch the optional pilot for street class , since they UTOQ rating maybe too low.... I might be wrong on that, Regions rules are varies sometimes, and i dont remember the optional pilots rating.
so sum it up, if you fit in the street calss, even when you dont have a oem tires or pads ( which many times even for testing magazine articles they do change) you can call the car bone stock.
If that wouldn't be a case, then what would happen when you do run off your tire or pad etc life time ?
Then you would start arguing my tires are newer so its a cheat, and start measuring thread depth ? lol
However, there is a reason why they have classes. So as long as you are in a street class, you can call it a stock car. Since at that class it really does matter how your car comes out from the factory. Period.
street class...
Everyone can do those mods easily without ANY mechanical changes in they car. That is the point of that class. Besides those parts you can change in that class is mostly wear and tear items, like pads tires... I mean you have to change them after a while .... lol
I do think the RS might have to ditch the optional pilot for street class , since they UTOQ rating maybe too low.... I might be wrong on that, Regions rules are varies sometimes, and i dont remember the optional pilots rating.
so sum it up, if you fit in the street calss, even when you dont have a oem tires or pads ( which many times even for testing magazine articles they do change) you can call the car bone stock.
If that wouldn't be a case, then what would happen when you do run off your tire or pad etc life time ?
Then you would start arguing my tires are newer so its a cheat, and start measuring thread depth ? lol
And I was not talking replacement parts that wore out, was talking upgrades, which virtually everyone does with pads and tires if they go more than couple times. Two huge upgrades that can't be ignored, even in a stock class.
Anyway, warantee is out the window if dealer even suspects you slightly abused car (and definitely if they find any upgraded performance part, even brake pads). Remember all the warantee denials when the EVO first came to NA, on clutches, even after they showed the thing road racing and advertised how great it would be to do that.
Judging by the power it made, I would say its a reduction in performance to fit into the "stock" class in sanctioning body he races with so that the field is more level between AWD, RWD, and FWD cars.
Yes, its not stock, but does perform better than a stock one? Probably not. Also, if you go and do legitamite racing, a stock car will require a roll cage, an approved racing seat, and fire suppression in most sanctioning bodies to race in the "stock" class.
While Rob's car is a prepared racecar, its performance is likely very close, if not below that of a stock Evo X.
Yes, its not stock, but does perform better than a stock one? Probably not. Also, if you go and do legitamite racing, a stock car will require a roll cage, an approved racing seat, and fire suppression in most sanctioning bodies to race in the "stock" class.
While Rob's car is a prepared racecar, its performance is likely very close, if not below that of a stock Evo X.
Judging by the power it made, I would say its a reduction in performance to fit into the "stock" class in sanctioning body he races with so that the field is more level between AWD, RWD, and FWD cars.
Yes, its not stock, but does perform better than a stock one? Probably not. Also, if you go and do legitamite racing, a stock car will require a roll cage, an approved racing seat, and fire suppression in most sanctioning bodies to race in the "stock" class.
While Rob's car is a prepared racecar, its performance is likely very close, if not below that of a stock Evo X.
Yes, its not stock, but does perform better than a stock one? Probably not. Also, if you go and do legitamite racing, a stock car will require a roll cage, an approved racing seat, and fire suppression in most sanctioning bodies to race in the "stock" class.
While Rob's car is a prepared racecar, its performance is likely very close, if not below that of a stock Evo X.
yes something like that, the idea behind the restrictor plate on AWD Turbo cars is to level out the competition at the given class, and between 2wd and awd also between turbo and Non turbo cars/ FIA made this rule and works pretty good.
So better a stock car it will be perform better after the restrictions.
Like the RS have to loose probably the 19's etc.
besides the stripped interior for a requirements and the safety additions ( made a car just as heavy as a stock GSR, about 3500 lbs) And the engine which was also required to modify for rally due the restrictor plate which is necessary. And requiters a retune to even turn the engine on...
roll cages : even hill climbs require roll cages, so better if you strip the car, but other then that a car is still bone stock. Many M3 's, miata's etc running like that or even i know some evos. People who do race know that.
So yes besides interior there are cars running stock. ( cheaper and reliable, that is why it does matter how the new RS will do in stock form...)
My car was what matters for racing at around stock or below performance.
When those picture made and the first 3 race , yes my car was noticeable slower then stock and topped out around 100 mph. So it was a bit slower and less powerful as a stock car.
Everything mechanically on the drive train was stock, The suspension was also bone stock OEM GSR when the KW V3 blown. SO 90 % of the race and next two was done on GSR shocks.
Brakes are bone stock, rotors - calipers - lines - ABS - hand brake etc. only pads wasn't.
Wheels and tires was also lesser then stock , The tires were the Toyo street rains 225's.
etc.
i even had a radio in it. lol
anyhow, i am assuming there will be some RS owners in a beginning in a same situation.
Wonder how they will do with the new RS ABS awd system. Since i am sure many will run the car mechanically stock as i did ( hence why it was mentioned my car as an example back then) .
Last edited by Robevo RS; Apr 21, 2015 at 04:43 PM.