I've considered it but that means less track days since it comes out of the same budget.
How about voiding warranty?

 

This the Stig in the 350R impressive power.

 

Nice.

 

Love to own one of these!

 

Just saw the weight is 3600 lbs?

Man, I got flaccid in a second.

 

You and weight....

I've driven a prepped S197 (2011 with 5.0). And its a good car with all the right mods done. It definitely doesn't show its weight.

 

Seriously, are we going to whine about every car's weight?

 

I think pointing out a high curb weight on a performance vehicle is a fair criticism.
Estimated curb weights
Shelby GT350 = 3760lbs.
Shelby GT350R = 3655lbs.
Shelby GT350R with electronics package = 3703lbs.
http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/spe...ions/view-all/

Clearly Ford did not make much of an effort to shave weight on their "track" car.

 

Yep.

For a dedicated track car, it's important to me. For a hard parked garage queen or a daily driver, I could give zero ****s.

 

I wonder if he as ever even driven one of these so-called "heavy" cars, or if he just complains that they weigh 300lbs more.


My Evo for example. I don't really notice it when I'm carrying a 200lb passenger.

 

Yes, I am a bench racer.

 

Not calling you a bench racer. Just looking for merit behind your complaints. I've driven prepared mustangs, and they really are excellent cars. The only they don't have is the AWD grip to propel them out of corners sans wheel spin. The extra few hundred pounds really goes unnoticed for the most part. They can fit bigger tires, bigger brakes (with more adequate cooling), and have a very long, smooth, torque curve from the bigger lump.

 

I'm aware that auto manufacturers do their best to balance their cars around safety standards, etc but it's a slippery slope. The car gets heavier and then you have to add more parts to compensate for the weight, which just adds more weight.

In short, yes I am a weight weenie, but I run my evo with a full interior so I'm not that OCD.

 

I think we should ask those not concerned with weight:
Have you ever driven a lightweight car to compare to heavy car?

I have- and its an amazing difference- just the difference in "feel" thru all tactile perceptors, such as your butt and hands on steering, the lack of inertia and the ability to easily adjust line...

I think its best to follow the common wizdom lighter is better, than find arguments how vehicle A or B despite the weight drives well.

TA Evos are down to 2700-2800lb
Porsche GT3 Cup Cars are down to 2600-2650lb

DSRs sports racers are down to 900-950lb with down force, which is why they can use GSXR1000 motor and turn laps 4 seconds faster than 991 GT3 Cup Cars- a car that is already unbelievably fast.

Drive a Caterham, or at least a MX-5 or Elise, to understand how much difference weight makes.


I know I am pounding the stick at noise, but since I have enjoyed lightweight, and have Evos, and have driven heavy cars, I account first hand for huge difference in all aspects of driving experience: conclusion, lighter is better.

 

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