Come on, no need to get personal What have you run with your EVO at the 1/4 mile? What were the track conditions? Sure I could drive better, but why can you not believe that the EVO is just not the fastest car out there? I wrote already that I've gotten a 14.1 @ 99 mph in the same track with a '96 Integra GSR w/JRSC... And I could not get decent 60' times due to lack of traction. That car was a FWD and did not have LSD or DOT tires. If I'd had LSD and drag radials I could have been in the 13s.... The EVO (and the WRX before it) just don't have the power to weight ratio go into the 13s or break 100 mph at that track. The EVO is a very neat car, but it isn't God or anything like that. I'm not at all surprised that the SRT-4 can kick ***, it has a bigger engine and weights a lot less. The proof is in the way it pulls away from the EVO in that video. If the EVO had around 280 whp it could easily get into the very low 13s or even 12s. My friends old Mustang dynoed at 285 rwhp and he is extremely close to the 12s. These cars weight about the same so if the power was the same, the speeds should be the same. Well, guess what, the trap speeds tell the story. The 285 hp Mustang runs 104 mph and my EVO gets about 98 mph. It's just simple math, the EVO just does not have the hp.

 

Sorry if you took my response as antagonistic, no harm intended. How do you explian the myriad of sub-14 quarter mile times posted in about every car magazine out there? Just curious. Also, granted, I have not run this particular car at the track for 1/4 mile purposes, but several guys on this board have run stock evos sub 14, so, it could be that you do have a car with a weaker engine.

 

Uh 14 hp difference does make for a 6 mph difference in the 1/4. That means your Evo is not making power or not WOT or something...

 

That is a very good question... I read about sub 14 second times and 100+ mph runsall the time in the magazines and in these forums, but my experience at the tack is quite different and not only with the EVO but with other cars as well. Of course, the track I go to is 1100 ft elevation and the heat & humidity are always very high (high 80's to low 90's with 60% and up humidity).
Another thing about the myriad of sub 14 second times is probably the same post seem lots of times or the same car posting lots of runs? Anyway, I don't know but I'd guess my driving counts for about 2 mph and perhaps as much as 1/2 second....

I don't know about your formula, but I calculate the difference between 98 and 104 mph to require over 40 flywheel hp increase. That's assuming a vehicle weight of 3450lb (including the driver and 4 gal of fuel)

Anyway, I think that many of the sub 14 second and 100+ mph runs are made nearly at sea level with cool temperatures and very good driving. I'm not an 80 year old lady, but I'm not Mr. reflexes either... I'd say I'm about average of the guys who show up for friday night test 'n tune at the dragstrip. When I was running high 14s in my WRX, another guy was running low 15s in his WRX..... I think that many of the reported numbers are inflated or they use "ringers" or similar stratagems to publicize favorable numbers.....

 

Again, I really apologize about the 80 year old lady remark, it was uncalled for. I think the temp and humidity in your local conditions do make a difference, probably a bigger one than we would think. Note the differences in the Evo that sport compact car tested alone in cool temps, and how it performed in the head to head tests against an M3 and carrerra in warm (90 degree) weather. The evo did 5.2 0-60 and 13.6 quarter in cool weather at sea level, and 5.7 and 14.1 in the warm weather in the group test. These variables are significant. My point is that in good conditions, the evo is safe to categorize as a sub 14 second car.

Peace!

Percy

 

Oh, no problem. I thought you were kidding and anyway, my reflexes are just not that good anymore


I'm sure that the track conditions make a huge difference in the car's performance. I also know that the driving technique is very the most important factor in getting the most out of the car.

Here is where I have a different opinion. The EVO is often portrayed as some sort of super car, when in reality it's not all that fast in the 1/4 mile or the stop light derby. While it's true that the EVO can perform sub 14 second 1/4 miles, it is not as fast as many other cars at the track.... What I see is that even with equally skilled drivers, some cars will easily out pace the EVO. Lots of Mustangs and almost all late model Camaros Z28 or Vettes will trounce the EVO. Also, lots of hybrid Hondas (or other compacts with forced induction) will outrun the EVO in the dragstrip. That's just the way it is, any car with better power to weight ratio and decent traction will best the EVO with equal drivers and there are tons of cars out there with those characteristics. The SRT-4 in this thread is a perfect example.

 

I don't really disagree with you, and that is why I am going to do some minimal mods to my car, including the WORKS reflash. Not so sold on the muffler delete pipe. But will get the throttle body. Just to even the field a bit. I come from a background of autocrossing VW's (corrado VR6 and GTI 16V) as well as BMW (M3), and love to drive. I've had a few safe duesl with some cobras, e-46 M3's, etc, and they have all been close. The evo is NOT the fastest car out there, agreed, but amazing fun in the twisties, and very, very tunable. So, I guess it's on to finding some good mods!!

Percy

 

Just posting about what I know and not what I wish I knew.

the srt-4 that was entered in One Lap was equipped with stock tires, stage1, and Mopars IT coilovers. thats it. In fact here is a picture of it.



and a 220whp/180ft lbs NA neon's are possible



so dont laugh when you see a neon...it just might walk you.

 

no one is saying that the evo is the fastest car and no one is saying that the neon is the slowest, but no matter how "fast" or "slow" the evo is, it is still faster than the neon. So hush up already. And thats why we all spent the extra 10 grand

 

That's a fact, the EVO may not be the "fastest" car but it's hella faster and quicker than the Neon.... The SRT-4 is a different beast. Anyway, the true test would be stock VS stock...... This "lightly modified" vs. stock is not really an indication of how the cars compare out of the box.

 

The people that drive SRTs are so immature, I think thats one of the most annoying things about them. We talk and say agreeable comments, while the SRT people say, STF you are G$y, or things of that nature.

Lets just keep this straight, you do those mods and let an Evo do the same mods, who is going to win? Please do not say the SRT will, because there are hundred that spend 2kUSD and already are seeing better numbers at a more reliable state. I can bet you anything the tuned Neons are just waiting to blow up, and most of the ones that are the "beats" are running on nos... to me NOS is one of the cheapest and least thought of way to go fast? Thats like saying let me put two more engines in my car because I want to go fast.

 

ok.... I posted what was done to the car in the video and explained how fast it really is. Giving some depth into the video.

you spent 10 grand to run 3 tenths faster. Good for you.

for $20,295 you could've had a full factory warrantied SRT-4 that runs 13.7's(which is faster than a full factory warrantied EVO8)

Whats the fastest EVO in the world? 1/4 mile wise? is it faster than 8.53@172 mph? I dont think so

Fact of the matter is... I like evo's, I like SRT-4's, I like seriously themed car enthusiast forums, I don't, however, like elitists who think their car is the greatest EVAR! accept that the car is faster and move on. Dont make a ricer excuse and give me some part throttle ****. You guys are terrible.

 

nice

 

he can't race worth crap. You find any evo owner that says he is almost out of gas and doesn't want to race, that means they don't know how. He dropped the clutch at like 3000 RPM. Race me SRT I'll smoke you like no other. No neon can or ever will take me. Just bring it, it would be another walk in the park

 

I ran a guy lastnight in a SRT-4. He has a AEM intake, EBC, TT, 55 shot (said it was empty) and a Greddy oil catch can. He told me he was putting down about 450 hp. I was really interested in his car til he said that and that he runs in the 5 second range in the 1/8 mile. He must have thought I was a idiot or something.

He asked if we could cut a light as we were leaving a lot we were hanging out in. I happily agreed. I can launch my car, and I proved it to him about 7-8 times that he had no chance what so ever from a stop. I grew tired of running from a stop so I asked if he would want to go on the highway. He agreed. I figured he had the advantage, but I still let him choose what speed to go from. He chose a 45 mph roll. He wouldn't let me next to him so we started out with him about a 1/2 a car ahead of me. I honked 3 times and ended up about 3 car ahead of him. I could see his whole car in my drivers side mirror, to give you idea.

This was all done from me starting in 2nd and almost instantly shifting into 3rd at the start. My car is completely stock.